Speedo on last legs? Any Suggestions on who or where to get repaired?

[Opus]

Hi Everyone.

Need some input here. My control panel if going to @#$%! I am down to only the Speedometer, Tach, High Beam,& Clock working correctly as far as I know.
Everything else is ether not working or in a state of unknown (could be working or may be giving wrong info).
I have found 2 places that "SAY" they repair the 88 K100lt panels. Palo Alto & Overseas Speedo.

#1) Has anyone used them and what was the outcome? (Was everything repaired to you expectations? Anything they could not fix?)
#2) How was the turn around time? (Did it take days or weeks or months?)
#3) Pricing? (Was it Low, Fair, High, or OMG! :eek2:)
#4) Is there other Places/Options I may be able to take? ( Refurbed with core swap? Etc,Etc)

I have tried everthing I can find here and other BMW sites and forums.
This should be my last major issue that I have to fix as far as I know & I do want it done right.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Opus!

[motodude]

Have you contacted Palo Alto?  I believe I did a while back and was told they do not work on the Motometer clusters anymore.  Maybe  you got a different answer.

Tom

[Opus]

@ Tom
Palo Alto is showing that they do on their web site. I have not contacted anyone yet.
I'm hoping for more options and advice from other members as to what they have done and what was the results.
I'm working with a limited budget right now so have to be sure to get the best I can with out over spending.  :dunno

[argent brick]

I had Palo Alto take care of my trip meter knob on my boxer. They were very high on their prices and the counterman had an attitude. Acted like his s--t did not stink. Came across as if they were doing me a favor.

Bottom line though, they had the parts that were needed.

[Opus]

Just talked to Palo Alto and Tom is right almost. They will no repair or replace any of the PCBs'. Only the gears and stuff.
@Lynn, yes they have an attitude but they do stink.

Called Overseas Speedometer and he was more open and gave good intel. Price is high, but trun aroung was under 3 weeks including shipping times. (But I have to pay for that too)
He said that if I could find a Gear indecator PCB he would install it but the ones he has are used parts. ( HEY FRANKENDUCK! STILL GOT THAT USED PCB? )
He also stated that they rebuild the Odometer & Trip Meter with new parts.
I also need to replace the cover as the plastic lens is cracked. If I get the PCB and ship it to him It is looking like around $400 +/- (thats with a New PCB)

Took a quick look at the Bandit site and it show a replacement unit for $798.29 to $864.65.  :yow Now that will hurt my not so deep pockets.

Still open to suggestions gang...

[frankenduck]

Sorry no gear indicator PCBs at the moment.

[argent brick]

I have often thought that maybe it was just me, that I rubbed the the guy the wrong way or something.
It is nice to know that maybe I was not the problem. I guess he just has an attitude with everyone. Can't be good for business though. Of course, look at how few places do this sort of work.

[wmax351]

I have repaired one of the pcbs on mine. Its probably a broken solder lead or trace. I can give yours a go if you want. Not sure how much will need done, but I can do it a hell of a lot cheaper than palo alto. pm me and we can figure something out.

What exactly is broken on it?

[DRxBMW]

I have often thought that maybe it was just me, that I rubbed the the guy the wrong way or something.
It is nice to know that maybe I was not the problem. I guess he just has an attitude with everyone. Can't be good for business though. Of course, look at how few places do this sort of work.

Palo Alto speedo/pod R&R company has pissed riders off before, sigh ____________.  Outfit somewhere in NC/SC has an excellent reputation, suffering CRS currently, read forget the name.

dunno in reality terms, WHY NOT go with a TrailTech electronic pod instead ? micro digital VS archaic 90's instrumentation.  I think one model of the TT even has a gear indicator.

I've never personally tore into a total pod R&R,other than duck's LED bulb conversion.   DW Wayne seems quite knowledgeable.

FWIW, a cheap GPS will outfit your O brick with a speedo and much more. 

"ride HARD ________ life's short"

[wmax351]

I have often thought that maybe it was just me, that I rubbed the the guy the wrong way or something.
It is nice to know that maybe I was not the problem. I guess he just has an attitude with everyone. Can't be good for business though. Of course, look at how few places do this sort of work.

Palo Alto speedo/pod R&R company has pissed riders off before, sigh ____________.  Outfit somewhere in NC/SC has an excellent reputation, suffering CRS currently, read forget the name.

dunno in reality terms, WHY NOT go with a TrailTech electronic pod instead ? micro digital VS archaic 90's instrumentation.  I think one model of the TT even has a gear indicator.

I've never personally tore into a total pod R&R,other than duck's LED bulb conversion.   DW Wayne seems quite knowledgeable.

FWIW, a cheap GPS will outfit your O brick with a speedo and much more. 

"ride HARD ________ life's short"

Idk about the aftermarket gauges. I don't like the lcd type. I like the nice, smooth needles. The Moto-Meter gauges are actually quite nice, although meant more for airplanes and cars.

From what it sounds like, there is not a whole lot of repair needed. Just the gear circuit board, and a few light bulbs. The Glass is fairly easy to replace. Someone posted instructions on here.

I did a bit more looking at the components for the gear position circuit board. About 5 bucks of components. All are readily available.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-K75-K100-K1100-Gauge-Cluster-Instruments-Reconditioned-/180901167929?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a1e8cc339&vxp=mtr

[motodude]

Just talked to Palo Alto and Tom is right almost. They will no repair or replace any of the PCBs'. Only the gears and stuff.
@Lynn, yes they have an attitude but they do stink.

Called Overseas Speedometer and he was more open and gave good intel. Price is high, but trun aroung was under 3 weeks including shipping times. (But I have to pay for that too)
He said that if I could find a Gear indecator PCB he would install it but the ones he has are used parts. ( HEY FRANKENDUCK! STILL GOT THAT USED PCB? )
He also stated that they rebuild the Odometer & Trip Meter with new parts.
I also need to replace the cover as the plastic lens is cracked. If I get the PCB and ship it to him It is looking like around $400 +/- (thats with a New PCB)

Took a quick look at the Bandit site and it show a replacement unit for $798.29 to $864.65.  :yow Now that will hurt my not so deep pockets.

Still open to suggestions gang...

That sounds about right.  If memory serves, I was looking for a PCB at the time.

DRxBMW is also correct about someone on the right coast working on them too.  I also can't remember the name either.

Tom

[Opus]

Will a panel from a 93 K1100 work on a 88 K100?

[wmax351]

Will a panel from a 93 K1100 work on a 88 K100?

I don't think so. It appears that there are some different aspects. http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,362.0.html

Although internal parts from the 100's panel will work when put into the new enclosure. And some of the internals of the later one will work with the earlier one.

You can set it up with a bicycle speedometer temporarily while the cluster is fixed.

[Opus]

I did not think so.
I did see a 85 K100 panel. That is in the same range and has the same layout.
Also saw one for a 84-89 K100rs. But for for $599.00 and used I don't think so.

[wmax351]

I did not think so.
I did see a 85 K100 panel. That is in the same range and has the same layout.
Also saw one for a 84-89 K100rs. But for for $599.00 and used I don't think so.

I think the '85 will be fine. May have a slightly different fuel level setup.

[Opus]

Looking at the pin out for a 85 the only odd pin is #8 pin (Brown/Black). It shows as a 2nd Fuel warning light. Pin #7 is also a fuel warning light(Brown/White).
On the 85 it shows 2 fuel warning lights.(?)
On the 86 to 91 panels it is listed #8 (Green/Yellow) as a ABS Warning relay. Mine does not have ABS. Pin #7 as the fuel warning light (White)
On mine it has nothing next to the far left light and the fuel warning light has a fuel pump next to it.

It may work.

[Inge K.]

Then you also must swap the PCB`s for the fuel level, since it two different systems.
The old one using two thermistors, the new one a switch.

I`ll guess the problem with the one you got is just a minor problem in the switched circuit,
what doesn`t make sense is that the instruments is working.

What`s the problem with the GPI?

Inge K.

[Opus]

@ Inge K.
The GPI is not showing the correct information. When in neutral the LCD shows 4Th. In 1st it shows 5Th, 2Nd & 3rd nothing, 4Th & 5Th show normal. When in neutral the neutral light does not come on.
I was told that the GPI PCB is bad and has to be replaced. That was okay up to the point where my my Odometer & Trip meter stopped working and my Speedometer has started acting up.
It has started to run up at idle to 40 to 50 mph the drop down to 0 again.

What still works is the Tach, Choke, Battery & Oil lights work. Temp light does not come on, but may be it does not need to. Nor does the Gas light, but I have not run it that low.

Oh someething new. The Trip meter reset knob just came out in my hand. (?)

I think that is all.

[wmax351]

Then you also must swap the PCB`s for the fuel level, since it two different systems.
The old one using two thermistors, the new one a switch.

I`ll guess the problem with the one you got is just a minor problem in the switched circuit,
what doesn`t make sense is that the instruments is working.

What`s the problem with the GPI?

Inge K.

When I was going through my speedo to look at the circuit for my trip computer, many of the PCB traces were very thin, giving several failure points.

If you open it, and post detailed pictures, I may be able to help remotely. (Tele-Medicine for speedometers.) Are you comfortable with a soldering iron on expensive things?

Your problem with the speedo sounds similar to mine when I toasted part of the speedo board with a shorted wire. I was able to fix it with a jumper wire.

Your GPI switch may be broken. http://ibmwr.org/ktech/trans-switch.shtml Looks like the Yellow/White wire (or the internal part of the circuit in the cluster) is broken.

[Opus]

@WMAX351
I had it apart when I had to replace some lights inside it. I did find part of the ribbon cable folded and that fixed an issue with a bad light.
I can take it off again and recheck the paths and ohm out the ribbon cables. I am sure that it is the GPI PCB is the problem but it is worth a look.
Can't do it tonight but will PM you when I do.

Opus!

[wmax351]

@WMAX351
I had it apart when I had to replace some lights inside it. I did find part of the ribbon cable folded and that fixed an issue with a bad light.
I can take it off again and recheck the paths and ohm out the ribbon cables. I am sure that it is the GPI PCB is the problem but it is worth a look.
Can't do it tonight but will PM you when I do.

Opus!

I have found that the cables fold around the contacts, and the lights squeeze in too far. I fixed that with a couple small rubber bands.


Check the circuit from the board all the way to the switch.

[Opus]

Well going to pack it in for the night. I have to remove the windsheld to get at the back of the speedometer housing to take it loose and need daylight to do it.
Night all... :zzz:

[Opus]

Okay a New Day!
Did find a GPI/PCB for a K100RS but no year given.
PN# 62111459238
Does anyone know if it would work on a 88 k100lt? ( I may need it )

Going to Pull the Speedo today and start a trace of wires & PCBs to see if I can find any problems there as suggested.
It is going to be 102 deg F with a Heat index of 115 today so will have to limit out of doors activities starting around noon.

Fun,Fun,Fun...

[frankenduck]

Same GPI PCB for all years and models of classic K bikes.

[Opus]

Thanks Frankenduck,
I just ordered it from fleabay, hope to get it in a few days.

I checked my wires and the switches and all tested good.
Pulled the GPI/PCB and did a trace of the board and did not find anything wrong. (No breaks or loose connections to any of the IC/Resistors/Caps)
So I ordered the PCB. (After checking here and other BMW Forums for Info)

Then I checked the the odometer & trip meter. Found some of the teeth missing on the gears. Will send it to Overseas for repair after I get the GPI/PCB replaced.
Looks like I'm down for 2 to 3 weeks gang.
Well I guess I could paint my muffler. :2thumbup: