Author Topic: K Bike Keys (Read 54794 times)

frankenduck · « **on:** June 16, 2012, 05:24:45 PM »

Most likely your K bike came from the factory with a 51251453659 folding key. About $12 when purchased from a dealer.

BMW also sells a flat "standard" key with part number 51251233554.(Nieman GKS) About$7 from a dealer.

BMW also sold a 51212315251 key that had a tiny pushbutton flashlight built into it but I think those are long out of production.

Somebody sells these folding keys on Fleabay under part number 51251243275 but I don't like these because they are so short that they have to be folded over to work, unlike the 659 folding key above which will work either folded or unfolded.

Important: All of the above keys are made of steel and should be taken to a REAL locksmith as the key cutting machines at places like Lowe's and Home Depot are not able to cut steel key blanks.

Aftermarket Keys:

There's a few of them out there but the one I've found that most locksmiths have on hand and works well in K bikes is the Ilco SR61N.

The Ilco Y61 also works in K bikes and is slightly longer than the SR61N.

Some key blanks have a shoulder that needs to be removed. (like Ilco SR61N and JMA NE-8)

joepopp · « **Reply #1 on:** June 16, 2012, 10:50:52 PM »

Great post! I wish I had read it sooner as I found out all of these things myself. The eBay 51251243275 key does in fact need to be folded to work correctly. It's kind of tough for the helmet lock although mine seems to work in my luggage without folding. The SR61N has a nub on it that will need to be ground off unless the locksmith catches it. The Y61 is a much better fit and I found them for cheap at ekeyblanks.com for like $2.50 each shipped. I did find the correct BMW emblem folding key #51 25 1 453 659 at http://www.motorwestmotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=494 for $13.00 shipped.

frankenduck · « **Reply #2 on:** June 16, 2012, 10:57:03 PM »

I always take the bike to the locksmith so I can test the key in all of the locks before leaving. Either that or the gas cap for testing purposes if I take the car since that's easy to take off.

tsbt · « **Reply #3 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:47:48 PM »

Quote from: joepopp on June 16, 2012, 10:50:52 PM

Great post! I wish I had read it sooner as I found out all of these things myself. The eBay 51251243275 key does in fact need to be folded to work correctly. It's kind of tough for the helmet lock although mine seems to work in my luggage without folding. The SR61N has a nub on it that will need to be ground off unless the locksmith catches it. The Y61 is a much better fit and I found them for cheap at ekeyblanks.com for like $2.50 each shipped. I did find the correct BMW emblem folding key #51 25 1 453 659 at http://www.motorwestmotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=494 for $13.00 shipped.

Hey Joe the site says these keys are used on "R" models, worked fine on your K? The real deal if that's the case.

joepopp · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2012, 09:48:56 AM »

Quote from: tsbt on June 17, 2012, 08:47:48 PM

Quote from: joepopp on June 16, 2012, 10:50:52 PM
Great post! I wish I had read it sooner as I found out all of these things myself. The eBay 51251243275 key does in fact need to be folded to work correctly. It's kind of tough for the helmet lock although mine seems to work in my luggage without folding. The SR61N has a nub on it that will need to be ground off unless the locksmith catches it. The Y61 is a much better fit and I found them for cheap at ekeyblanks.com for like $2.50 each shipped. I did find the correct BMW emblem folding key #51 25 1 453 659 at http://www.motorwestmotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=494 for $13.00 shipped.

Hey Joe the site says these keys are used on "R" models, worked fine on your K? The real deal if that's the case.

I cross referenced it from other sources. I didn't get it cut yet but it looks right! I'll post here when I do.

tsbt · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2012, 10:38:00 AM »

Quote from: joepopp on June 19, 2012, 09:48:56 AM

I cross referenced it from other sources. I didn't get it cut yet but it looks right! I'll post here when I do.

Awesome please do, I have exactly one ignition key that I guard with my life :machinegun: and am in constant fear I will loose it in a gutter.

Chris

frankenduck · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2012, 10:42:05 AM »

The 659 is the right key. It's the one shown at the very top of this page.

For Rs and Ks:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?part=51251453659

tsbt · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:24:40 AM »

Quote from: frankenduck on June 19, 2012, 10:42:05 AM

The 659 is the right key. It's the one shown at the very top of this page.

For Rs and Ks:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?part=51251453659

Bingo :2thumbup:

joepopp · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2012, 05:34:35 PM »

Quote from: tsbt on June 19, 2012, 11:24:40 AM

Quote from: frankenduck on June 19, 2012, 10:42:05 AM
The 659 is the right key. It's the one shown at the very top of this page.

For Rs and Ks:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?part=51251453659

Bingo :2thumbup:

Yup! Got it cut and it works great! They have three in stock. Shipping was only about $2.

That is an awesome cross reference page! Bookmarking that for sure. Thanks Frankenduck!

johnny · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2012, 08:05:15 PM »

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BobZ(IL) · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2012, 08:21:15 PM »

I've been able to get keys made for my K-bike at the local locksmith a couple of times. He somehow has blanks that work. Definitely take the bike to make sure the key works everywhere including all the cases.

tsbt · « **Reply #11 on:** June 22, 2012, 10:25:14 AM »

Quote from: joepopp on June 21, 2012, 05:34:35 PM

Quote from: tsbt on June 19, 2012, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: frankenduck on June 19, 2012, 10:42:05 AM
The 659 is the right key. It's the one shown at the very top of this page.

For Rs and Ks:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?part=51251453659

Bingo :2thumbup:

Yup! Got it cut and it works great! They have three in stock. Shipping was only about $2.

That is an awesome cross reference page! Bookmarking that for sure. Thanks Frankenduck!

They now have two in stock :yes

BillyMac · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2012, 02:13:12 PM »

Just in case anyone else encounters this problem. I got the keys made on the Ilco SR61N blanks(unfortunately wasn't riding the bike) and no dice. Went to a proper locksmith on the bike and they fixed it and tested it. Just make sure they shave off the "shoulder"(circled part on key) so it can go far enough in the lock.

Honolulu · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2012, 03:10:18 AM »

But, if you lose your key, don't have the code or whatever, there is a workaround.

A couple years ago I took apart my ignition switch for cleaning, etc. Later it turned out to be okay and I didn't screw anything up, so I got experience, no more or less.

But here's the deal: the ignition switch only closes two pairs of wires. A quick look at the wiring diagram which everyone should have, tells you which two. This means several things. One, you can replace the ignition switch with a pair of toggle switches, or a three position switch (off, lights, run). Two, in a real pinch you can jumper the correct pins and go. Three, it also implies that the meanies can pretty easily hotwire your pride and joy and ride off, but they'd have to know which, and none of us would do such a thing.

frankenduck · « **Reply #14 on:** November 06, 2012, 03:23:48 PM »

I was wandering around The Internet today and stumbled across this list of key blanks that supposedly work with our K bike locks. It lists each manufacturer and the key blank part number(s.)

Borkey   666KA
Canas   NE17
CEA   NM3   NM38I   NM63
Curtis   MC-44
Dominion Lock   Y61
Errebi   NE3   NE50   NE9
Fuki   K-173   K-174
Ilco   N2M   SR61N   Y16
Ilco EZ Line   N2M
JMA   NE6   NE7   NE8
KeyLine   BM3   BM6   NE1   NE44
Kis   AV1
Kraga   N4   N46   N67
Lotus   NE12   NE128   NE4   NE8
Mr Minit   75
Orion   NN1   NN15   NN33   NN64
RR   NN14   NN32   NN63
Silca   NE31   NE44   NE5   NE62

TaosBrick · « **Reply #15 on:** May 15, 2013, 08:17:38 PM »

Welp, just in time for this trip to Cally, the locksmith from whom I've been trying to orders keys in our one horse town here told me that the blanks that he could get for my K75 were made from steel, and that he did not have a machine that could cut them. :swear:
Guess I'll be makin' the rounds of BMW bendover-ships in our travels to see what can be done, as I have one onliest key in the entire world for my whip, which I feel I should be sleeping with on a lanyard 'round my neck.

Grim · « **Reply #16 on:** May 15, 2013, 08:56:27 PM »

Quote from: TaosBrick on May 15, 2013, 08:17:38 PM

Welp, just in time for this trip to Cally, the locksmith from whom I've been trying to orders keys in our one horse town here told me that the blanks that he could get for my K75 were made from steel, and that he did not have a machine that could cut them. :swear:
Guess I'll be makin' the rounds of BMW bendover-ships in our travels to see what can be done, as I have one onliest key in the entire world for my whip, which I feel I should be sleeping with on a lanyard 'round my neck.

If you are not sure you have a original key is nearly unworn condition ask the dealer to order you a key from the VIN. Will take 2-4 days but it is a key that has factory cut. Put it away as a master. The keys I had for my new to me bike were either worn or copies of worn keys and the dealer could not get a copy to work. I didnt even realize the keys I had could not get the key to turn to the parking light position.

TaosBrick · « **Reply #17 on:** May 16, 2013, 12:34:04 AM »

Wow - Thanks Grim. I don't have an original key, and I've no idea how worn it may be. Will check out that option...

The Mighty Gryphon · « **Reply #18 on:** December 08, 2014, 01:09:12 AM »

I just had two keys cut from Neimann blanks that came with the bike. Seems that there aren't many steel keys being used anymore so I couldn't find a locksmith anywhere with a carbide cutter. Finally a resourceful locksmith who made safe deposit box keys cut them for me.

Safe deposit box keys are made from flat steel blanks. The machine that cuts them is specialized and the locksmith had to put a thin strip of metal in the Neimann blank's grooves so they could be clamped in the machine. Once that is done cutting is straightforward. The keys work perfectly.

Brad-Man · « **Reply #19 on:** December 08, 2014, 03:48:56 PM »

Just so's everyone knows, there is one BMW dealer that has the machine for cutting the steel keys - Atlanta BMW/Ducati/Husq....They are on Hwy 41 in Marietta. I ordered 2 folding keys from them and they cut them for me for free.

This was for my '85 that they had never seen before - it was always serviced by the other BMW dealer in Atlanta.

Of course, when I bought the bike i paid a courtesy visit to the parts dept guys there and said they were gonna be my new best friends...

Grim · « **Reply #20 on:** December 11, 2014, 09:49:56 PM »

Brad they have been good to me quite a few times and I ate up a coupe, of the blanks they had in stock and why they had to order more for you. I had a issue with worn keys so I wasn't getting good duplicate. And couldn't get the key to the parking position. They ordered me a key by using the vin that worked. I kept that as a master and had them cut a second off it that worked fine.

TimTyler · « **Reply #21 on:** June 12, 2016, 12:20:07 PM »

I had a key cut at a locksmith a couple of months ago. It took him a while to find the correct key blank to use, but he did. Works great. Ilco X109 FT43

TriSpark · « **Reply #22 on:** August 14, 2016, 10:47:20 AM »

Good to know about the Atlanta dealer who cuts keys in Marietta - I have been there many time before, but not for that.

The local dealer in Chattanooga (Pandora European Motorsports) told me that no BMW dealer in the USA will cut keys and they have to be ordered from Germany. They didn't have any blanks either, and weren't very helpful about some other parts and spares questions.

I see a trip to Marietta in my future.

K1300S · « **Reply #23 on:** August 14, 2016, 11:39:00 AM »

another ILCO that works. not long enough stock, so ground down the head of the key a bit to make key part longer.

TriSpark · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2016, 07:38:40 PM »

I have an update and a success story. :2thumbup:

I went to an old school locksmiths in Chattanooga TN today and they cut me 2 keys that work perfectly.

When I handed the guy the key, he said "BMW bike keys? no problem." Everyone else was stumped by them,

30 seconds later he had cut me 2 of them, on the Ilco Y61 blank.

"$7.64 please" he said.

Bargain!

I don't know if they do mail order, but I said I'd tell other Brick owners about the great service.

The company is www.rickslockandkey.com. Not far from the I-75/I-24 split if you are coming through Chattanooga.

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Author Topic: K Bike Keys (Read 54794 times)