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TECHNICAL MOTOBRICK WRENCHING In Remembrance of Inge K. => Project Custom Motobricks => Topic started by: Trash Hauler on April 19, 2020, 08:00:03 PM
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Has anyone used the Tenet with their basic speedo / tacho? Any issues getting it working?
https://fiveaces.hk/index.php/package/pack-tenet/pack-tenet-rfid/tenet-pack-cafe-racer-rfid (https://fiveaces.hk/index.php/package/pack-tenet/pack-tenet-rfid/tenet-pack-cafe-racer-rfid)
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wow, that sounds pretty cool, also curious if anyone has used one. Plugs into original harness almost too good to be true
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I found a number of people on a K100 Cafe Racer FB group who have used the Tenet and they had no problems at all. Better than the BMG and full functionality without any modifications. Also supports LED indicators and lights.
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And CHEAP (relatively). 200 euros.
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I have ordered the Tenet
https://fiveaces.hk/index.php/package/pack-tenet/pack-tenet-rfid/tenet-pack-cafe-racer-rfid (https://fiveaces.hk/index.php/package/pack-tenet/pack-tenet-rfid/tenet-pack-cafe-racer-rfid)
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Any news on the tenet, has it arrived yet?
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My Tenet arrived last week
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We're depending upon you to give us the straight scoop, Hauler, with photos, too. Good luck!
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Will do
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Yep, I'm hoping that it's as good as it sounds.
Did you opt for the RFID version?
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Yep - I got the RFID. I plan to go keyless.
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Mine is due in before the end of the month!! :)
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Ive installed 3 of these now. Doddle.
Francois Pavey on FB page "K Prepa France" is the designer, order from him is quicker
There are some foibles with calibrating the speedo, but 5 minutes thinking gets it done
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Ive installed 3 of these now. Doddle.
There are some foibles with calibrating the speedo, but 5 minutes thinking gets it done
Please share your experience. It might help others who are less doddle-prone. :laughing4-giggles:
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Unplug lunch box and make door stop.
Route the loom with the two lunchbox plugs back to where you intend to place Tenet box. (it fits under tank apparently, I drop one of the relays down in the electrical box and it sits in there horizontally)
Run the new loom from the Tenet to the position for the new speedo and plug it in.
Thats it for the basic installation.
If you want the fuel gauge bars to work (this is for tank with float) there is a flat white four or five wire plug under the tank that was for optional BMW fuel gauge. Cut the yellow wire out of it and route to the Tenet. Pass it through the back of the BMW plug through the hole that leads to the Tenet marked ---- on the text printed on the front. Bodge a small spade connector or buy a bag from e bay that match the OEM plug. Crimp the new connector to the yellow wire and pull it back to sit in the BMW multi plug. Plug the plug back in to Tenet. Done.
Programme speedo as per instructions. (there are 3 choices of speedo)
https://fiveaces.hk/images/manuel_utilisateur/TENET%20User%20Manual%20-%20EN.pdf
Paul
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Unplug lunch box and make door stop.
Route the loom . . .
That's excellent service, Paul! Thanks. How many miles or hours have you logged with this system?
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Just installed my own 2 months ago and promptly fecked my knee big time, so wont be riding for another couple of months. The two I installed for friends have done many kms without fault. I should add all three are the base model cafe racer package.
If you decide to buy one I would order through Francoise Pavey on FB page "K bike prepa france"
Once you reach programming stage difficulty depends on your skills and age (a four year old could do it in 30 seconds)
BYW on the fiveaces site theres 3D printable brackets for speedo, go for the reinforced one.
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Thanks for the information. Many riders will be interested in the promise this system offers.
I'm staying with the breadbox because I already have sufficient doorstops and strive to keep my moto unattractive to apprentice felons. :laughing4-giggles: May you have a full and speedy recovery. icon_cheers
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Thanks, I kept my lunchbox as long as possible, running repairs, waterproofing etc but it finally died...hence Tenet. The quality of the BM part is astounding (if weight counts) and these aftermarket instruments wont last 35 years, but I guess technology marches on.
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Found a person in youtube installing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qGW1leMVAo
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Does anyone have any information on the new tenet mini? Their webpage offers no description. Thanks.
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Does anyone have any information on the new tenet mini? Their webpage offers no description. Thanks.
They're making one smaller than the 52mm GPS speedo on their site (http://www.tenet.com.hk/productdetail-52mm_Digital_LCD_GPS_Speedometer.htm)? That isn't mini enough? The company doesn't seem to use words like maxi, mini, or micro to label their products; they use diameters and function. Let us know if they're hiding something from us. 112350
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https://fiveaces.hk/index.php/package/pack-tenet/pack-tenet-basic/tenet-pack-mini
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No mention of the Mini on the Tenet company site. Maybe the Mini is a Five Aces derivative part adapted to the Tenet, rather than a Tenet product The product must speak for itself but with the sound turned up, I didn't hear anything. Production and Marketing should introduce themselves to each other.
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I know the guy who saw the need for a plug and play system and instigated the production of the Tenet. I think his relationship with Fiveaces has shall we say, become a little complicated. If you use FB he can be found on his page BMW K Prepa France or search Francoise Pavey. He is also promoting this small rectangular speedo. Tenet themselves do not manufacture any of the speedos.
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Tenet themselves do not manufacture any of the speedos.
The Tenet homepage indicates their headquarters and production facility are in Shenzhen, China—no surprise there. I noted in my browsing that one of Five Aces's Tenet offerings seemed to be the ubiquitous El Cheapo-speedo that's circulating through the low-budget café moto remodeling world.
The Tenet system seems to couple to the Brick's electronics as advertised. Maybe it will have functional longevity, too. Owners should review on this thread.
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The Tenet homepage indicates their headquarters and production facility are in Shenzhen, China—no surprise there. I noted in my browsing that one of Five Aces's Tenet offerings seemed to be the ubiquitous El Cheapo-speedo that's circulating through the low-budget café moto remodeling world.
The Tenet system seems to couple to the Brick's electronics as advertised. Maybe it will have functional longevity, too. Owners should review on this thread.
Laitch - I have to say, I used the 'ubiquitous El Cheapo-speedo that's circulating through the low-budget café moto remodeling world'. With a Marulabs BEP 3.0. Two years on and both the speedo and BEP are working great. I also have to give a big doublethumbs up for the speedo :twothumbsup. The quality is surprisingly good and when you get through pigeon-english instructions (which you may have to find elsewhere) it is accurate, has a working fuel gauge, is very clear and easy to read and of course good value for money. Unlike the OEM one on my Triumph Thruxton, which makes you feel like Mr MagOO (There's a reference for the kid's to google).
With regard to the Tenet. The guy at Marulabs did not patent his design and even supplied the circuit on his web page as 'open source' if you wanted to build your own. It's quite possible that the French/Chinese at Tenet have copied and even refined the design. What they have also done is linked it with several different speedometers as a kit taking the hard work of working out your wiring. The Chinese delivery times should deal with any COVID19 secreted on the packaging.
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Laitch - I have to say, I used the 'ubiquitous El Cheapo-speedo that's circulating through the low-budget café moto remodeling world'. With a Marulabs BEP 3.0. Two years on and both the speedo and BEP are working great.
The term El Cheapo is not derogatory; it's Spanglish. :laughing4-giggles:
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I just ordered the tenet pack with the mini gauge. Won’t be delivered for around 4 weeks. I will share my review when I have one.
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I just received my tenet mini with rfid. I have a question and hoping someone who Is better with electrical than myself can help. In the following pic, am I correct in assuming “ignition switch” is basically where the key to the bike goes. And “starter switch” is the button pressed when starting the bike? Sorry for my ignorance. Thank you for your help.
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I just received my tenet mini with rfid. I have a question and hoping someone who Is better with electrical than myself can help. In the following pic, am I correct in assuming “ignition switch” is basically where the key to the bike goes. And “starter switch” is the button pressed when starting the bike? Sorry for my ignorance. Thank you for your help.
Yes and Yes
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If you are asking because you have problem programming, the instructions are ambiguous. Ive explained in a post above.
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If you are asking because you have problem programming, the instructions are ambiguous. Ive explained in a post above.
This is the post (https://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,13542.msg122992.html#msg122992), Gorgerunner23. Quzzy explains how to connect in it, not the nature of ambiguity. :laughing4-giggles:
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Thanks guys. I love got it all wired up now. But now I can’t seem to get the rfid system to work. Everything on the bike works as normal while using the key, but the rfid system will not work. Thanks for your help.
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But now I can’t seem to get the rfid system to work.
No fnid :laughing1:
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Everything on the bike works as normal while using the key, but the rfid system will not work.
Please explain how the remote receiver is wired into the system. The moto isn't in gear is it?
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The bike is in neutral. I have confirmed I have everything wired correctly. I am able to get ONE of the rfid tags to wake the bike up, but only if I place the tag directly on the rfid module. The other tag appears to do nothing. How exactly should this work? I just sit on the bike with tag in my pocket and the bike immediately wakes up? How does it then “turn off” the power to the bike after I hit the kill switch? Thanks for all your help.
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I just sit on the bike with tag in my pocket and the bike immediately wakes up? How does it then “turn off” the power to the bike after I hit the kill switch? Thanks for all your help.
I got this information right at the top of Tenet's RFID page (https://fiveaces.hk/index.php/products/tenet-electric-case/tenet-rfid). What baffles me is why you couldn't find it. Anyway, I think you've hit the nail on the head. You need to be within centimeters of the moto to turn the ignition system (power) on or off with one tag and start the engine with the other tag. You don't necessarily need to sit on it though. You might be able to stand next to it proudly. I define a few centimeters as no more than three centimeters. You'll need to experiment.
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Thanks for that information. Sorry to baffle you with my questioning. I was simply looking for some advice from people familiar with this product as I can get a more straight forward answer and possibly some first hand experience and tips on how to make this installation a little more streamlined for new users like myself. I do appreciate your help.
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The Tenet looks like it has the least complex and most streamlined installation of the speedos made for Bricks so far. Even the instructions are in large print although it seems like the print might need to be even larger. :laughing4-giggles: I hope it proves to be a durable and accurate instrument for its users. Please review it here after a year of owning it, or if you encounter problems with it along the way.
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This is the post (https://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,13542.msg122992.html#msg122992), Gorgerunner23. Quzzy explains how to connect in it, not the nature of ambiguity. :laughing4-giggles:
Aha, thats cos Ive got a broken knee and couldnt get to garage to read the "ambiguous" instructions ;o)
Theres a statement about holding the menu button down and then turning the ignition on to enter setup...or the opposite....either way its the wrong way round....or not
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:laughing4-giggles:
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Ok, I’ve got it all working “as it should”. I am not pleased with operation of the rfid system. It works, but placing the rfid tag basically on top of the receiver is not what I had imagined. I was hoping for a “walk up to the bike and it wakes up” type of operation. If anyone is running tenet pack and would like to add the rfid option, I would be happy to sell mine. Thanks again for everyone’s help. I appreciate it.
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It works, but placing the rfid tag basically on top of the receiver is not what I had imagined. I was hoping for a “walk up to the bike and it wakes up” type of operation.
Imagination can play tricks on us, especially when we're dehydrated. :laughing4-giggles: I think if it had the type of operation that you imagined it had, there would be many examples of owners waking up the bike by walking up to it but forgetting to put it to sleep because they were distracted by something then just walked away from it instead of riding it. In some cities, the bike wouldn't be there when they returned. If it were still where it had been parked, the battery might be discharged.
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Ok, I’ve got it all working “as it should”. I am not pleased with operation of the rfid system. It works, but placing the rfid tag basically on top of the receiver is not what I had imagined. I was hoping for a “walk up to the bike and it wakes up” type of operation. If anyone is running tenet pack and would like to add the rfid option, I would be happy to sell mine. Thanks again for everyone’s help. I appreciate it.
RFID tags always have to be put onto the reader. What you are are thinking of is a PKE keyless system similar to those used on cars like the Tesla. There is not a PKE system for motorcycles except for a Chinese one available from e-bay that as far as I know doesn’t work. RFID is a programmed tag and therefore very secure as there is no radio wave like a car remote that can be scanned and copied. You can buy a very small rfid tag that can be sewn into the finger of your motorcycle glove if you don’t want to carry a tag.
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Thanks for the info skunky. The rfid is novel, but no less “work” , in my opinion, than just using the key as usual. A pke system would be ideal, but not necessary. Thanks again for your information.
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RFID tags always have to be put onto the reader. What you are are thinking of is a PKE keyless system similar to those used on cars like the Tesla. There is not a PKE system for motorcycles except for a Chinese one available from e-bay that as far as I know doesn’t work. RFID is a programmed tag and therefore very secure as there is no radio wave like a car remote that can be scanned and copied. You can buy a very small rfid tag that can be sewn into the finger of your motorcycle glove if you don’t want to carry a tag.
There is a great writeup on a RFID based motorcycle ignition based on a Sombra K9 alarm system. I found this in a Triumph forum and the universality of the solution would make it adaptable to the K100 based on my research. It would be a very very DIY endeavour! This is not plug-n-[lay. It implemented the PKE feature you mention, in that it was possible to start the motorcycle from up to 1-2 metres away from the bike. Here are the two URLS:
Part 1 (https://www.triumphrat.net/threads/rfid-keyless-ignition.162499/)
Part 2 (https://www.triumphrat.net/threads/keyless-ignition-part-deux.164192/)
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Would anyone happen to know what number I should set in the place that currently shows the number “1” and the number “6”? I am told they are the pulse and coil counter settings. I am not sure what those she be set to. The other number, currently showing “200” in the pic is the tire circumference. That is not a concern as I have that figured out. The bike is k75 1986. Thank you all again for your help.
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I am told they are the pulse and coil counter settings. I am not sure what those she be set to.
You don't need to go by what you are told. The Tenet mini instructions are explicit in what those numbers should be for a K75. All that should be needed is to follow them without knowing anything else about them. Here are the instructions (https://fiveaces.hk/images/notices/NOTICE%20SPEEDO%20MINI%20UK.pdf) and attached are excerpts from them.
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Once again, thank you. I never received instructions for the mini gauge specifically from my supplier. You have again saved me. Thank you so much!
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I didn't receive them either. I went out looking for them and found them at 5Aces. It was a little like an Easter egg hunt though. :laughing4-giggles: Good luck with the project. Give us an update.
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I will! Once I get it all buttoned up I’m make a new thread about the whole project. Thanks again for your help.
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Gorgerunner23, did you buy direct from 5aces? I’m pondering the purchase. Thanks -
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I purchased from a seller on Facebook. Francois Pavy. He is a tenet dealer and has better prices than 5aces. He was a pleasure to deal with and very helpful as well.
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I purchased from a seller on Facebook. Francois Pavy. He is a tenet dealer and has better prices than 5aces. He was a pleasure to deal with and very helpful as well.
Except he neither supplied instructions nor directed you to a source of them. :laughing4-giggles:
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Except he neither supplied instructions nor directed you to a source of them. :laughing4-giggles:
Thanks - what was the shipping time frame?
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Despite the lack of directions, he was great to deal with. Shipping took about 2 weeks, but that was because I ordered the “mini” gauge which was not in stock at the time because it was brand new. So I would assume maybe 1 week shipping possibly.
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Despite the lack of directions, he was great to deal with. Shipping took about 2 weeks, but that was because I ordered the “mini” gauge which was not in stock at the time because it was brand new. So I would assume maybe 1 week shipping possibly.
Thanks!
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I installed a tenet unit over the weekend. By installed, I mean I made a shitty bracket for the speedo and plugged in the connectors. I'm only a few rides in, but the instruments I care about seem work fine out the box (speed, tach, gear, blinker, odo).
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Thanks for posting and sharing your progress. 👍
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Can you choose between kmh or mph with the tenet speedo I can't find any info on the tenet website about this, being in the UK don't really want a speedo in kmh. Thabks
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yes
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Do you have instructions on how to change it to mph from km? Thanks
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Do you have instructions on how to change it to mph from km? Thanks
Is your model among the instructions on this page (https://fiveaces.hk/gb/21-user-manual)?
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Thank you yes seen it now buried at the foot of the vintage speedo pdf. Thanks 😊
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Late in the game apparently.
Has anyone installed a TENET basic unit with other Speedos/Tachos than the ones available as a package? I'm thinking of using the 60mm Daytona Velona gauges on my K75 and separate warning lights instead of integrated ones.
Thanks,
Krister
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It should be possible to integrate the Daytona Velona and a separate idiot light panel into the Tenet. The signals that are available from the Tenet are pretty much compatible with most after market gauges.
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Thanks RBM, I see in all of your posts that you have a pretty good idea of what works.. 112350
Not quite decided which route to take as of yet, with regards to boxes. BEP 3.0, Axel Joost Breadbox Adaptor or Remover, Tenet.. or just take the guts out of the original breadbox and use the necessary boards.. I see quite a few m-unit adaptations as well..
By the way, I came across a post somewhere on here where there was mention of a GPI board of your design i believe. Is that still available?
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Yes, I'm still building the TGPI board. The basic functions of my board are the same as the other products you mentioned. The main difference is that my TGPI board needs to have wires removed from the OEM instrument cluster connectors to attach them, whereas the BEP 3.0 and Tenet don't. I guess my board is the only one that offers various gear displays which the others don't.
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Oh, I see. I don't mind rewiring if necessary and if possible I'd like to keep as much functionality as I can from the original cluster. My cluster works fine, it just feels a bit too big..
So, aside from removing wires, what else would I need to do/get in order to adapt your solution to my simple Daytona Velona guages and some as yet undecided string of uh-oh lights?
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The TGPI User guide (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U3kKYQw7aO5E24x0qOpveQ_VTEyJGHJf/view?usp=share_link) gives details of the installation.
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Hey all, I have my tenet installed all working well. I have the Vintage speedometer kit from five aces:https://fiveaces.hk/gb/pack-vintage/30-74-pack-vintage-basic.html#/32-types_of_connectors-compatible_terminal_block
I can switch it from kilometers to MPH by pressing the button on the back when on “total” odometer but it won’t stay in that setting when I power it down. When the bike is turned back on its back to kilometers.
The mileage stays recorded and the back light color. No help with the instructions either and five aces has no clue how to use it either.
Here’s the instructions. Maybe someone who has this speedo can help me out? Looks like @Bobsimes may have dealt with this too.
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Looks like @Bobsimes may have dealt with this too.
Have you used the PM feature here to ask him? When you're changing from KPH to MPH with the button, what happens if you keep the button pressed down when KPH becomes MPH? Could it work like the scanning feature on some radios when locating a station and saving it?
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The Five Aces gauge is a restyled version of the popular Chinese universal motorcycle gauge that is available on Ebay:
The function you describe, pressing the button on the back of the gauge while in total odometer viewing mode, is a standard feature with that gauge. The KPH/MPH setting might be retained using the continuous power signal to the gauge. Are you certain that the unstitched 12V power from the battery is maintained at all times, even when the ignition is turned off?
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Thank you both for the responses. Yes, I sent him a PM as well so we’ll see if he responds too.
In the instructions it says to undo the red/white wire to setup programming. The red/white wire is also in a two pin connector with a green wire labeled as “cathode” which looks like the ground. Now this is just for the preliminary programming for speed sensor, fuel, etc…there is no KMH to mph in that part. Just in the standard mode for when you’re using the speedometer normally. I undo not wires here red/white and the green when doing the programming. Hold the button on the back for a few seconds then switch on the key and I’m at the programming screen as normal and after inputting my settings that will save as well.
I’ve tried like you’re saying too. Switch it to mph, hold the button on the back down and cycle the ignition. Same thing, back to KMH. It’s not a huge deal, takes all of 2 second to switch it back to mph but kind of annoying is all. I did some further research and found that the speedo is made by a company called Zaddox and it is the SM30 model. There’s another company called Motea and they sell it as well. I need to see if another company has any form of instructions for this speedo besides five aces.
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The Red/White wire (Pin 1) corresponds with the K-bike''s unswitched 12V line and Black (Pin 4) corresponds with the K-bike's switched 12V power line. You need both present and working properly on your Tenet. These both are referred in the instructions for your gauge as +Anode (weird). Power return pins are labelled -Cathode (weird again) in the instruction guide correspond to K-bike ground. Use a voltmeter to verify that you have power on output Pin 1 with the ignition off. Cycle the ignition switch to verify that you always have unswitched power available at all times and in all ignition switch positions. Measure it relative to Pin 4 and not the battery negative terminal or K-bike ground.
To put the gauge in program mode, it should be enough to switch off the ignition, press and hold the button on the back of the gauge and turn on the ignition. No need to remove the Red/White wire. Try that.
You're right - there is no NVRAM setting on the gauge corresponding to MPH/KPH. I still believe that setting should be held by the unstitched power and should survive ignition switching. If you loose unswitched power as you cycle the ignition switch, then definitely your KPH/MPH setting will be lost.
I've attached the user guide I wrote for the cheap Ebay gauge to this post.
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I bought the tenet speedo basic setup and installed last spring on my 1987 k75. Instructions were decent. I have aftermarket led rear lights and it works fine with them. All gauge functionality work fine.