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Title: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
Post by: HuckItForward on September 29, 2015, 05:41:08 PM
'92 K75s, 16k miles, sat for a decade or so.

Aside from the gas tank internals, everything is in great shape and I'm almost done with repairs, maintenance, lube, etc.

Last piece of the puzzle is my blinkers. They don't blink.

They turn on, they cancel, the hazard switch has the same effect. Turns on, but doesn't blink.

Fuses and relays look good. Pulled casing off relay, looked pristine, solenoids magnetize perfectly, but don't release until cancelled.

My instinct tells me it's a grounding issue, but not sure where to start. Negative ground is cleaned, battery is new and fully charged.

Where should I check? Bulb sockets? Could it be the relay after all?

Sorry if this is obvious. I know electrical pretty well, but I normally work on Jeeps. Very different wiring philosophy.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: jay1622 on September 29, 2015, 09:10:27 PM
Hey brother, "obvious" or not, somethings escape us all once in a while. Me? More often than not.  Skip this whole thing and read the last line if you want to see what I hope the fix is. Otherwise, read the whole thing for an exact understanding of your flasher unit. Cheers!



How does the central ground look underneath the gas tank that holds into the frame?  It should have five or six brown wires coming together with one little bolt going into the frame.  Does the turn signal indicator on the dash light up? I can't imagine it would make too much of a difference, but the turn signal indicator specifically calls for a 12 V 4 W bulb T8/4 type. Are the turn signal lights the correct ones?  Do you have a bulb monitor indicator light on your dash? Is that lit or staying off?  I don't believe those wires for the blinker indicators connect to the bulb monitor indicator so that should not be an issue, but figured I would ask just in case.

Going from the lights into the flasher unit, the left side flasher wire is blue/red and the right side flasher wire is blue black. If the the lights are lighting, then those two, to include the grounds for the lights should be fine. Make sense? The two right combined switch to the flasher unit wires are blue/yellow and brown/white: one for the right signal and one for the cancel button I guess. The left combined switch to the flasher unit wire is blue/brown. Once again, these must be good, right? The signal is being received after all. The blue/white and the yellow/violet(?) wires going into the flasher unit are both directly from the hazard warning flasher switch. So, that's seven wires of eleven, right? I think so anyway.

Remember when I said the lights themselves do not connect to the bulb monitoring indicator light? The flasher unit does; however, appear to ground into the bulb monitoring unit. So, the brown wire coming from the flasher unit goes directly to and grounds into the bulb monitoring unit FYI. So now, we know the ground for the lights are good, but I wonder how that ground is for the flasher unit. Thoughts?

Does your bike have auto canceling turn signals? The reason I ask is because the blue/green wire that comes out of the flasher unit wires directly to the speedometer. I can't imagine that would have anything to do with your indicators not flashing.

The green/brown wire goes to the temperature switch box. Don't ask me why, anybody care to guess out there?

And lastly, there is the red/white wire. I am hoping you write me back and tell me this is what it was. That wire, goes from the flasher unit directly to the fuse box.

 On my bike, the red/white wire goes into the slot 3rd down from the top.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: Scott_ on September 29, 2015, 09:33:18 PM
The green/brown wire is switched power from fuse #7. The same fused power that feeds the horn and other components.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on September 29, 2015, 10:46:02 PM
How does the central ground look underneath the gas tank that holds into the frame?  It should have five or six brown wires coming together with one little bolt going into the frame.  Does the turn signal indicator on the dash light up? I can't imagine it would make too much of a difference, but the turn signal indicator specifically calls for a 12 V 4 W bulb T8/4 type. Are the turn signal lights the correct ones?  Do you have a bulb monitor indicator light on your dash? Is that lit or staying off?  I don't believe those wires for the blinker indicators connect to the bulb monitor indicator so that should not be an issue, but figured I would ask just in case.

Remember when I said the lights themselves do not connect to the bulb monitoring indicator light? The flasher unit does; however, appear to ground into the bulb monitoring unit. So, the brown wire coming from the flasher unit goes directly to and grounds into the bulb monitoring unit FYI. So now, we know the ground for the lights are good, but I wonder how that ground is for the flasher unit. Thoughts?

And lastly, there is the red/white wire. I am hoping you write me back and tell me this is what it was. That wire, goes from the flasher unit directly to the fuse box.

 On my bike, the red/white wire goes into the slot 3rd down from the top.

Thank you so much for the explanation! I've got the manual with the airing diagram and a couple online diagram, but that is way better.

The lights on the dash work perfectly and I don't think there is a bulb monitor light, but I'll double check in the morning. I looked at the ground that bolts into the transmission from the battery. I'll need to find the ground on the frame. Considering the pristine conditions inside the electrical box, I'm wondering if that might be the culprit.

I'll also make sure to check the connection to the bulb monitor and fuse and report back.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: jay1622 on September 29, 2015, 11:03:29 PM
Start with the fuse. It's always the damn fuse. Well... Almost always. I found some worn-away insulation on a wire yesterday; I'm wondering if you've experienced a short perhaps on yours? I'll be re-friction-taping a bunch of wiring looms and such here soon.

Let us know.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on September 30, 2015, 11:12:43 AM
Another symptom I should probably add:
The rear left relay, the one that in this diagram is labeled as the fuel pump relay, clicks on and off continuously when power is on (key is turned).

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk91/electro_handyman/Bike%20Tech/relaybox_abs1.jpg)

Can you confirm that's a fuel pump relay?  Could a bad ground be clicking it on and off? I thought it didn't activate until the starter button was pressed and the starter and starter button work fine....

(Went to check things out on the bike this morning, but it's at a buddy's place at the moment and his garage was locked.  Wah Wahhhh.)
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on September 30, 2015, 12:12:40 PM
Oh, and I was hoping to pick up a couple new signal bulbs and fuses on my way home tonight so I could swap those out and verify function, but I've been having trouble finding that information online.  Anyone want to help out my lazy/impatient self by piping in with the bulb and fuse types so I can pick those up instead of having to grab them after making another trip to the bike to pull the existing ones?  :musicboohoo:

Edit: Changed strategy.  Looked it up on BMW motorcycle deal site, then cross referenced part numbers with BMW 3 series so I could find it at O'Reillys.
Bulb: 63217160789, aka Sylvania - Light Bulb Part # 7506BP
Fuse: ATO/ATC (various)
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on September 30, 2015, 01:36:25 PM
Talking to myself, but it helps.

Aha!  I didn't realize the pump was supposed to come on when you turn the key.  I thought it was just when you hit the starter (which didn't make sense to me because on the Jeep you need to pre-pressurize the fuel system, but hey...the mid-90s was a crazy time for automotive electronics).  My relay is is clicking on and off and on and off when I turn the key (I originally thought it was the signal relay, if that gives you an indication of speed).

So: Signals are fully lit, not dim at all, but not blinking.  This suggests a faulty flasher (unlikely) or a bad ground or fuse (#3 or #7) to the flasher unit.  The pump relay clicking suggests a bad ground or fuse (#1).

I will pick up some bulbs, because what the hell, but I no longer consider them a major suspect.  They look good and the above coincidence suggests a common culprit.

They both have a common ground, but not a common fuse, which suggests ground.  It's the ground on the frame, which I haven't checked yet, so that's suspect #1.
Suspect 2 is fuse #3 which powers both the flasher unit and the clock, which seemed really dim to me.
Additional person of interest is fuse #7 which powers both the flasher and horn relay.  Horn works, but might as well check it.
Probably going to replace all the fuses as just a preventative measure.

Anyone have any other ideas or things to test?
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: Inge K. on September 30, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
Another symptom I should probably add:
The rear left relay, the one that in this diagram is labeled as the fuel pump relay, clicks on and off continuously when power is on (key is turned).
Can you confirm that's a fuel pump relay? 

The relay overwiew drawing in your post is for a 4V model.
On a 2V model (like yours) the rear left relay is the ABS warning lamp relay (blue housing).
It's normal that it goes on and off untill the ABS ECU have completed the self test (wheels must be turning).
.......
Fuel pump relay (+ other FI related) is left front.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on September 30, 2015, 03:19:18 PM
Another symptom I should probably add:
The rear left relay, the one that in this diagram is labeled as the fuel pump relay, clicks on and off continuously when power is on (key is turned).
Can you confirm that's a fuel pump relay? 

The relay overwiew drawing in your post is for a 4V model.
On a 2V model (like yours) the rear left relay is the ABS warning lamp relay (blue housing).
It's normal that it goes on and off untill the ABS ECU have completed the self test (wheels must be turning).
.......
Fuel pump relay (+ other FI related) is left front.

I was going to find a diagram to confirm I was asking about the right one, but apparently you answered my question in the thread with the picture I found!
http://www.k100-forum.com/t4462-cooling-system-issues

Thank you for that!  :clap:

(http://i31.servimg.com/u/f31/17/81/83/56/k100rs11.jpg)
(my ABS warning relay is actually black, so I assume it got replaced at some point, but it's definitely the one clicking)

So:
1 - Horn
2 - Load Shed
3 - Fuel Pump
4 - ABS warning
5 - Temp switch/fan relay
6 - Starter Relay
7 - Flasher Unit
8 - Bulb Monitor Unit
9 - ABS Power
10 - Empty for me and the picture, but normally contains...?

(Should the Relay Box layouts thread (http://www.motobrick.com/index.php?topic=536.0) be updated to include 2V ABS I 75s?)


Currently the pump doesn't run when the key is turned, so I have an issue there as well, but you gave me some good starting points on that from another thread (http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,3766.25.html).  Ground is still my main suspicious, followed by fuses, but I'm glad I at least know what the clicking is, because I removed the relay it was unsettling me so much. I have continuity from the sending unit pigtail all the way to the (brand new) pump terminal, but no power at the connector, so if it still doesn't work once the ground is cleaned and fuses are replaced (and hopefully blinkers blinking) the next step will be checking power at the relay.

Really appreciate all the help, everyone!
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on September 30, 2015, 10:37:15 PM
(http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/bvogel/K100/download/electrical/Fuse.jpg)

My main question is, how would LEDs and the jumpering affect the flasher relay and BMU?[/list]
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on September 30, 2015, 11:07:34 PM
Crap.  Just had another brainstorm variables.

When I tested the fuse sockets, I got readings of between 10.8 and 11.6, but never above 12.  I assumed this was due to voltage drop through the lines and using a crappy voltmeter without a good connection, but I just realized I've been doing a lot of testing with lights on.  I haven't actually tested voltage between the terminals.

The previous battery has the same behavior, but it also was partially depleted.  I assumed this battery was good because it was new, but who knows how long it sat in a warehouse before being sent to me.

I think I need to put a trickle charger on it before making any drastic conclusions.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: kioolt on September 30, 2015, 11:10:28 PM
It's not a bad idea to have the charger on it while you do your troubleshooting.  I do this if I don't suspect the battery as being the problem.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: Scott_ on October 01, 2015, 07:06:39 AM
Re the fuel pump/relay,
The newer 4V Motronic controllers will briefly energize the fuel pump when the key is turned on, the older 2V Jetronic ones don't.....

The jetronic controller determines when the fuel pump runs.
The pump relay is energized when the starter button is depressed, after the bike is running, (ie the hall sensors determine rotation) the ignition controller then keeps the pump relay energized.


Re your abs light:... did you plug your abs relay back in?   Otherwise a P.O. could have removed the lamp to mask an unknown abs issue.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on October 01, 2015, 08:42:59 AM
Re the fuel pump/relay,
The newer 4V Motronic controllers will briefly energize the fuel pump when the key is turned on, the older 2V Jetronic ones don't.....

The jetronic controller determines when the fuel pump runs.
The pump relay is energized when the starter button is depressed, after the bike is running, (ie the hall sensors determine rotation) the ignition controller then keeps the pump relay energized.


Re your abs light:... did you plug your abs relay back in?   Otherwise a P.O. could have removed the lamp to mask an unknown abs issue.

Perfect, I was hoping there might be differences between mine and what I was reading. One problem eliminated, then.

I was wondering if the ABS light might be out or removed last night because the diagnostic definitely runs, judging by the clicking relay. And I finally realized last night I could quiet the relay by hitting the ABS button on the dash, so that behavior is normal, I believe.  I'm wondering if he took out the bulb monitor light when he swapped the LEDs and took out the ABS light while he was at it.

Lastly, I have a yellow light on the dash that lights up when I pull in the clutch. That's normal, right? I can't find anything about a clutch indicator, so please tell me it's another model specific thing and its not my ABS or low fuel light with an issue.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: Inge K. on October 01, 2015, 09:44:28 AM
Lastly, I have a yellow light on the dash that lights up when I pull in the clutch. That's normal, right? I can't find anything about a clutch indicator, so please tell me it's another model specific thing and its not my ABS or low fuel light with an issue.

Then the switch connectors for the clutch and choke switches have been interchanged.
(identical switches and connectors, connectors you find under the fuel tank, left side).
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on October 01, 2015, 09:47:49 AM
Lastly, I have a yellow light on the dash that lights up when I pull in the clutch. That's normal, right? I can't find anything about a clutch indicator, so please tell me it's another model specific thing and its not my ABS or low fuel light with an issue.

Then the switch connectors for the clutch and choke switches have been interchanged.
(identical switches and connectors, connectors you find under the fuel tank, left side).

Ok, that makes sense. I was thinking they got rid of that by '92. Cool. I kinda wanted that light.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: Inge K. on October 01, 2015, 10:16:38 AM
I was thinking they got rid of that by '92.

Choke switch isn't present anymore, but the wiring and connector for it at the harness is.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on October 01, 2015, 12:12:01 PM
Ok, swapped the two connectors and the the light doesn't come on with the clutch or with the lever (because it doesn't have a switch).  It does, however, activate some sort of solenoid in the intake area, by the sound of it.  That is the correct behavior as I understand it.

I checked voltage across the terminals when I first got there and got 12.0, but after a few minutes of lights on and testing, I was getting more in the 11.7 to 11.4 area, so I threw the trickle charger on it.

Before the charger, though, I was getting very different readings between the voltage across the battery terminals, the voltage across fuse terminals, and from the positive fuse terminal to the negative battery terminal. (I'm trying to narrow down issues before or after the fuses).

Once I finish trickle charging, I'll have a better place to start testing voltage on specific circuits.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: RobP on October 01, 2015, 12:48:33 PM
Quote
My main question is, how would LEDs and the jumpering affect the flasher relay and BMU?

LED's don't have enough resistance to trigger the flasher.  Did you try swapping them with traditional incandescent bulbs?
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on October 01, 2015, 12:55:23 PM
Quote
My main question is, how would LEDs and the jumpering affect the flasher relay and BMU?

LED's don't have enough resistance to trigger the flasher.  Did you try swapping them with traditional incandescent bulbs?

I did, but the LEDs were only on the brake lights and the running light, which shouldn't have any connection to the flasher relay, but I should probably double check the wiring diagram anyhow.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: kioolt on October 01, 2015, 02:54:12 PM
Quote
My main question is, how would LEDs and the jumpering affect the flasher relay and BMU?

LED's don't have enough resistance to trigger the flasher.  Did you try swapping them with traditional incandescent bulbs?

LED's have too much resistance to trigger the flasher.  That's why resistors are put in parallel to them to lower the resistance.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on October 02, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
Ok, so battery is now fully charged and reading 12.6v between terminals.

Across the fuse terminals, however, #3 gives me 10.2 and #7 (when key is on) gives me 11.2 or something along those lines. Those are *big* drops.

From the positive fuse terminal back to battery negative, though, is around 12.2v, so if there's an issue, it lies between the fuse and the ground.  I didn't have much time for diagnostics tonight, so that's all I've checked, but next steps will be jumping the frame ground to battery to make sure the frame -->transmission --> battery connection is fine and, if it is, testing voltages at various points along the circuit.

Before I go digging too deep, though, does anyone know if those readings are actually a problem? If it was a switch or a bulb, I know it would be, but when you get into circuit boards with resistors and switched grounds, etc, I don't know if I should actually be getting full voltage between the terminals.

Anyone want to quick to a voltmeter to fuses #3 and #7 for me?
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on October 12, 2015, 12:45:21 PM
Ok, so it's been a while, but I'm ready to start back up on this.

As of last night, she is officially running!!!!
https://instagram.com/p/8uOgmvFfK_/?taken-by=huck_it_forward

Which is very awesome considering this is what I started with:
(https://igcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e35/11910421_1654291834788095_727357417_n.jpg)
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e35/11909099_1468221303487421_23298519_n.jpg)

Got a ton of smoke when first started, but that's cleared up and she runs beautifully.

So despite my fuel system being terrible, the rest of the bike matches my splines:
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e35/11934892_1073913549287469_1810150983_n.jpg)
(That's right, be jealous)

So despite the bike running great and the electrical internals looking fantastic, I still have the following electrical issues:
[li]No low fuel light, despite ebay unit that was supposed to be good and has continuity all the way to connector)

[/li][/list]

So, could these all be related? Or did the salt air where it was stored wreak havoc on some connections I can't see (everything looks pristine)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: kioolt on October 12, 2015, 01:10:18 PM
I believe the bulb monitoring unit only monitors the tail and brake light.  I may be wrong.  Someone in the know please chime in.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on October 12, 2015, 02:02:32 PM
You really shouldn't be making chili in the gas tank...
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on October 12, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
You really shouldn't be making chili in the gas tank...

Right?!  I mean, sure it sounds appealing to be able to pack a snack for the road, but the gas mileage is horrible.  :hehehe
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on October 12, 2015, 02:46:56 PM
No gas mileage problems with some of the chilies I've had the pleasure of meeting.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on October 15, 2015, 07:55:43 AM
So, my speedometer hasn't worked either. Think I figured it out.

Attached is the connector for the speedometer PCB. A wee bit rusted...

Peeled open the ribbon and spent some quality time with q tips and some vinegar and its all cleaned up now. I'll throw it in today and see what happens.

Everything else looked good, including bulbs, so not sure if the speedometer would affect the other items. I'll also test the bulbs and voltage today if the speedometer works.

Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on October 18, 2015, 03:02:53 PM
Ok, so finally got fed-up and ebay'd a flasher relay with the mindset that I could test with it and return it if there was no change.

Blink blink.  Blink blink.

Damnit.  That was the issue all along.

So then I jumpered the pins for BMU socket and surprise surprise...the BMU was the issue.

Then I did some voltage testing on the connection pins for the gauges and, more surprise, all the data coming in was fine.

Basically, despite there being no corrosion on the circuit boards, apparently years of heat and salt air (bike was stored under cover but outside in Galveston, TX) killed most anything with a sealed circuit board.

So I found a new BMU for $30 on ebay and a new gauge cluster for $95 and I'm going to throw those in (keeping my 16k speedometer chunk) and hopefully that should be the last of the issues!
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
Post by: HuckItForward on October 28, 2015, 02:06:00 AM
I FINALLY FINISHED FIXED ALL THE ELECTRICAL!  EVERYTHING WORKS!!!!   :clap: :clap: :clap:

Ok, so recap:
1) The original blinker issue was, in fact, the flasher unit.  Plain and simple.
2) My dash was pretty badly rusted inside, which was why certain lights weren't working and the speedo, despite having signal at the pin, was reading nothing (it was the circuit board).  Ordered a new one, and good to go.  Even took apart the donor odometer and set it to the correct mileage.
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xft1/t51.2885-15/e35/10175101_783177215141663_163614162_n.jpg)
3) All my other electrical gremlins, though, actually could be traced back to the LED lights the PO put in, but not in the way I thought.

So symptoms were now:
a) both the old and new BMU worked as they should with the new speedometer.  Hit both brakes and the light went out.  This was especially strange because...
b) my taillight was out.  The bulb was good, no indicator on the dash, but I was getting *no* current to the socket unless I jumpered the pins at the BMU, which is why I figured that was the issue
c) my ABS diagnostic was telling me Code 7, aka my computer is messed up.  rats.

So the 'aha' moment came tonight when I realized that when I switched the BMU, I still got the same symptoms.  Took a look at the pinout diagram and realized that the taillight doesn't get it's power from the 12v source, it gets it from the ignition switch by way of fuse #2.

Checked the incoming wire with a voltmeter and it had *no* voltage.  So the issue had to be *upstream* of the BMU. Swapped fuses for #2 and got the same result.  Checked the incoming voltage and got *nothing*, but from battery to ground was perfect, so the issue was upstream of the fuse.

Took a look at the ignition switch and noticed one of the wires had been tucked back into the loom.  Turns out, that wire *just* powers the tail light and parking light.  The guy wanted to run an LED without bothering the BMU, so he jumpered that pin from the 12v and disconnected the wire so the BMU wouldn't have enough current to notice something was wrong.

Coincidentally, that same wire that feeds the taillight also feeds the ABS computer data somehow, so by tampering with it, he had disabled the ABS at the same time.  Once it was reconnected and I cleared the codes, I finally got the steady shining LED I had been hoping for.

So I think she's completely good to go now.  I haven't let my tank run low enough to check the fuel light yet.  I'm hoping it's fine, and I'm not sure I care if I don't.  I probably still need to do the fork seals and change some fluids, but that'll be projects for the winter.  For now, she's a smooth running flying brick with only 16k on the clock.  Time to do some riding!

Thanks again for all your help, everybody.  Batman appreciates it.
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e35/12145456_1233162996701245_1292289348_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
Post by: HuckItForward on October 28, 2015, 09:10:33 AM
How I felt when I got it fixed and everyone was already asleep.

Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on October 28, 2015, 10:01:33 AM
What incredibly good news!  :clap:  It's always nice to hear of someone curing a bunch of really weird problems.

Can you share any information on disassembling the speedo?   I want to flatten out a badly warped dial face, but can't figure out how to get the pointer off without breaking it.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
Post by: bocutter Ed on October 28, 2015, 10:47:11 AM
how to get the pointer off without breaking it.

I just pulled straight up.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on October 28, 2015, 01:25:17 PM
I tried that. but the force level rose to where it felt like I was going to break something and I chickened out.  Is there a difference between early and late model instruments?  My speedo is a '94.  That needle sure didn't want to let go.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
Post by: HuckItForward on October 28, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
I used a '92 and a (I think) '94 in my swap.  With both needles, nothing was glued in, it was just press-fit, but press fit pretty tight.  I had a spare so I could be a little harsh and not worry.

The metal spindle is pretty secure, so just get a fork or something underneath it so you can pull evenly on both sides and give it a good solid tug.  The first time is the worst and it gets easier after that.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on October 28, 2015, 01:35:05 PM
Will be revisiting my speedo this winter.   Getting to be that time of year when I get pretty envious of all you southern guys.
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
Post by: HuckItForward on October 28, 2015, 01:49:10 PM
Will be revisiting my speedo this winter.   Getting to be that time of year when I get pretty envious of all you southern guys.

Don't be too jealous.  I'm moving to Michigan next week, ha ha.  :falldown:
Title: Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on October 28, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
Welcome to the Great White North!  I just hope it's not the Upper Peninsula where you're moving.   Lovely people those Yupers, but 9 months of winter can wear on any man's spirit.