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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2015, 11:52:08 PM »
It's not uncommon for these fuse types to go bad internally with no outward signs, just as you experienced.  It's always a good idea to continuity check the fuse as part of your diagnosis.
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2015, 11:53:30 PM »
Thanks mate!

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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2015, 09:23:36 PM »
Another +1 for cutting the trace as described above. I'm running a sidecar on a K75 and I replaced the original incandescent cans on the hack with beehive LEDs. That means I had to remove the bulbs from the right  hand front and rear signals on the bike because they're replaced by the sidecar lights. Hyperflashing ensued.  I tried using a load resistor but the thing got so freaking hot it scared me and I couldn't find a place to mount it because it's clunky and heavy besides being hot.

Getting the relay box open is a challenge as mentioned above. You have to cut though the rubber insulation on the bottom end and gently pry it open at the narrow ends which is where it clamps in. Afterwards I sealed it back up with RTV. Now I can think about replacing all the signals with LED bulbs -- awesome mod!
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2015, 02:12:25 PM »
Would this also work on a K1100RS?
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2015, 05:21:31 PM »
Yes, it should.
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2015, 03:03:35 AM »
Thanks for the quick reply!

Sorry, but just be clear:

IF I cut the cord according to the thread info, I would not need to use resistors when installing LED turn signals? (Rear turn signals will have integrated break light also, but I guess that won't be effected by this operation either?)
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2015, 05:59:27 PM »
Yes, that is correct.  I would suggest slicing through the copper trace on the printed circuit board rather than snipping off the pin from the IC.  The slice can be reversed and put back to stock.  There should be no need for balast resistors to get the flashers working properly after doing this mod.
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2015, 05:15:40 AM »
Thank you for your reply =) Saved me $30 on the build
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2015, 02:16:43 AM »
Ok, so the mod solved my turn signals, however I can't seem to get the break light to work. Rear running light works..

So the rear turn signals has integrated break and turn signals and according to the diagram.. it should work =/

And tips?

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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2015, 10:42:27 PM »
Your brake light problem is related to the Bulb Monitoring Unit (BMU).  The BMU needs to measure the current drawn by a standard incandescent lamp to work properly.  Your LED brake light is simulating a failed brake light bulb.  You'll need to add a ballast resistor in parallel to cause that needed current draw in the circuit and allow the BMU to work.  Alternatively, you can search this site to find out how to bypass the BMU.
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2015, 09:48:41 AM »
Cut the connection to the leg beside the red dot:

Inge K,  is there enough space on the back side of the board to cut through the trace?
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2015, 03:04:41 PM »
Inge's suggestion is to cut through the IC leg.  My suggestion is to cut through the trace on the back.  Yes, there is sufficient room.  If you examine with a magnifying glass, you'll see a small short trace leading to a large ground pad.  That's what you cut.
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2015, 03:28:16 PM »
Any recommendations for what use to cut the trace?
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2015, 03:32:45 PM »
A utility knife with a sharp blade or an Xacto knife with a sharp blade.  You just have to sever the continuity on the trace and it's very thin copper.
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2015, 04:01:42 PM »
Inge's suggestion is to cut through the IC leg.

Thank you for the correction..............I've always thought that cutting the connection to the leg was
different from cutting through the leg.
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2015, 08:02:46 PM »
Actually you have understood the subtle English language nuance correctly Inge.  Cutting the connection to the IC can be accomplished either by cutting through the leg of the IC on the top side of the card or cutting through the trace on the bottom side of the card.  They both end up with the same result.
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2015, 01:00:18 AM »
I have found through considerable personal experience on a wide range of electronic equipment that cutting the trace is more easily reversible than cutting a component lead.  I learned this by frequently cutting the wrong thing the first time nearly every time.
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2016, 04:39:16 PM »
I cut the trace and only get a solid light, did I screw up?
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2016, 05:05:20 PM »
I'm assuming it's because I didn't have my rear led lights wired. If when I wire them up and it doesn't solve the issue I shall assume I fudged up
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2016, 05:26:51 PM »
I cut the trace and only get a solid light, did I screw up?
Post a picture of the trace you cut, Red. This is the time a photo would really clarify what you've done.

I'm assuming it's because I didn't have my rear led lights wired. If when I wire them up and it doesn't solve the issue I shall assume I fudged up
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2016, 05:33:50 PM »
Soon as I can get back into the garage I shall. I was very careful when locating and slicing the tracer. I'm 99.9% sure it was the right one. But I will post a photo ASAP
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2016, 05:35:16 PM »
Yes but that 0.1% often bites hard!


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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2016, 04:08:51 PM »
So it took a week to be able to get back into the shed, as stated I cut the lead on the back of the board and now all I get is a solid light, I can switch back and forth but no blinking. Here is where I cut. I know it's hard to see but I cut what I believed to be the right lead from the pictures shown. I probably screwed up and missed something while reading the posts above. If you have any ideas what to do to fix this, lemme know.
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2016, 04:54:45 PM »
Here is where I cut. I know it's hard to see but I cut what I believed to be the right lead from the pictures shown.
I can't even be certain that's the same relay from that photo, Red. Can you shoot another with a pencil point indicating where you cut?
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Re: DIY LED flasher relay
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2016, 05:15:22 PM »
Sorry about that, the cut was made right at the highest point of the line is. Had to do this on my phone because my computer isny working currently. I apologize.
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