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The Motobrick Workshop / Re: Valve clearance too tight on exhaust
« Last post by daveson on April 27, 2024, 12:29:57 AM »
Yeah, nah, yeah.

A couple of things. Prob just a bit of bad luck, they're small bolts, if you make a million, you just might get a bad egg in there. Maybe the single use suggestion is because of the wave type washers that come with them. Or if the only person telling you that you need to buy new ones is the person trying to sell them, that could be the reason.

Soop I spose the single use suggestion is why you guess they're stretch bolts, and I was guessing they're not cause it sheared instead of stretched. So if these are the same bolts from K75 through to K1200, I'll say they're not stretch bolts cause the bolts on my K100 spare engine don't look like stretch bolts, they're just bolts.

I bet ya that bloke with the beard in the sky is looking down on us laughing, and saying I'm reeling them in again.
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The Motobrick Workshop / Re: Valve clearance too tight on exhaust
« Last post by The Mighty Gryphon on April 26, 2024, 11:52:53 PM »
Looking at the application, it appears to me that the tension load on these bolts is the clutch spring pressure and the result of the torque they are tightened to.  To me, the primary load appears to be shear resulting mainly from engine torque.  I will admit that I am not a mechanical engineer, so I am not familiar with the reasons for using a stretch bolt in a situation where shear is the main load on the fastener.  If I was designing the clutch, I would have specified a high strength fastener with a high shear strength and let it be reusable with Loctite.

P.S. Has anyone ever heard of a documented case where the clutch assembly has come apart due to the failure of these nearly $7ea($42 a set) fasteners?  Or is this another example of BMW's quirky and occasionally bizarre engineering and maintenance procedures? 
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The Motobrick Workshop / Re: Fuel pump does not stay energized while cranking
« Last post by daveson on April 26, 2024, 10:46:09 PM »
"Am I going in the wrong direction here?'"

No, I think you're going in a logical sequence, and have eliminated the plug as the problem. Keep working back with your probe until you get to where the Voltage doesn't drop out. The problem will then be between there and the previous step. One possibility is that the fuse holder is a loose fit, then it could have 12 Volts but not good enough under load so it drops out. Put a new fuse in, clean the fuse holder, and crimp it somehow if it's loose to make it tight again. I think of the fuses as deliberately the weakest link in the system.

It's a good idea to consider the quick, easy stuff first, I've told myself a hundred times, but still I sometimes forget.
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The Motobrick Workshop / Fuel pump does not stay energized while cranking
« Last post by Bigtater on April 26, 2024, 10:01:38 PM »
Hi all, short time lurker and first time poster. Thanks in advance for any responses

I recently acquired a 1990 K75 that I am trying to resolve an electrical issue with. The previous owner said the bike started to stall intermittently, but eventually would restart after a short time. Eventually the bike would crank but would not run. The PO replaced the fuel pump, but a new fuel pump didn't resolve his issue. This is the state I received the bike in.

I began troubleshooting by verifying the new fuel pump's operation. I supplied B+ and B- to the pump and it buzzed to life. The fuel pump fuse has voltage on both sides. I tested the tank fuel pump connecter and got the following results:

Key off test:
gr/wht wire- B+
yellow wire- B- (with some variance)
Brown- B-
White- B-

Key on test:
Gr/wht- B+
yellow- B- (with some variance)
Brown- B-
White- 1.0 volt

when cranking:
gr/wht: 0 volts (12 volts drops to 0)
Brown- B-

When back probing the green/white wire, while cranking, the pump buzzed to life. I was able to duplicate this by wiggling the probe. I then attempted to start the bike, and it purred to life. However, it would then slowly die, sort of like it was running out of fuel. I started it again and probed for voltage. As soon as the bike starts running the voltage drops to 0. As soon as it dies, the 12 volts return, and I can hear the pump buzzing. At this point I bypassed the connector and tested for 12 volts again while the bike ran. The voltage dropped to 0 when running and returned when it stalled.

So here are my questions:

Is the voltage drop on the green/white wire while running correct? or should I see 12 volts?

Am I correct in understanding the fuel pump should only receive voltage when the ECU sees a signal from the crank position sensor?

Am I going the wrong direction here?
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The Motobrick Workshop / Re: Rear luggage racks and top cases
« Last post by frankenduck on April 26, 2024, 07:36:48 PM »
The only case that works with that rack is the BMW 22L topcase.

Givi makes the E180/E181 that fits the same holes and allows you to run Givi or other aftermarket topcases that need a flat level mounting surface.

https://www.kbikeparts.com/classickbikes.com/ckb.tech/0.ckb.tech.files/reynoldsrack/givi180/givi180.jpg
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The Motobrick Workshop / Re: Rear luggage racks and top cases
« Last post by spencer802 on April 26, 2024, 05:38:44 PM »
I am looking for a top/tail box and it sounds like the 22l described in this thread would be good. The bike has the luggage rack pictured here. Are there boxes that clamp to or easily attach to these racks, or will any generic strap-on box do?
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The Motobrick Workshop / Re: Valve clearance too tight on exhaust
« Last post by sooprvylyn on April 26, 2024, 04:34:18 PM »
Just checked the parts fiche for K1100 and K75.  They have the same OEM part number.  From my research before performing service they are stretch bolts....and when I ordered them from whichever parts supplier(ive used a few) they came with the part number on the bag and looked identical to the factory installed ones.

Perhaps I just had one bolt that was defective, since only one of them twisted off out of the 12 total replacement bolts I purchased.  Perhaps I could have re-used one of the others, but the fact that they are stretch bolts, the fact that I work in materials enough professionally to know about stress failure in metals, and the fact that one of them twisted off led me to say f that idea.


Btw...the text from the parts fiche also suggests replacing them ... I assume because they are stretch bolts

"Clutch "allen" screw, K75 - K1200LT, R850R - R1100R.  This part should always be replaced when doing any clutch work or inspection of the clutch."
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The Motobrick Workshop / Re: Valve clearance too tight on exhaust
« Last post by daveson on April 26, 2024, 12:28:02 PM »
There's no push back from me, I'm agreeing with you, I don't think stretch bolts are needed, and I know the feeling you had when that last bolt broke. It's that bloke with a beard in the sky who sometimes stretches our patients to just before yield, to test us out.

I'm not familiar with K1100 bricks, but I'm thinking maybe they're just bolts. They could look identical to the original bolts, but do they look like torque to yield bolts? Maybe they're not, including the original's.
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The Motobrick Workshop / Re: Valve clearance too tight on exhaust
« Last post by sooprvylyn on April 26, 2024, 12:02:25 PM »
Yes, they are the OEM bolts.  They were identical to the manufacturer installed bolts I removed.

I was super pissed when it happened because it was literally the last bolt I was torqueing after having already redone it like 2 other times(this was a 2nd set of bolts now).  I had been super careful to not fully tighten them so that i could make sure the gearbox as sliding in properly before torqueing since they had already been torqued once.  It was a lot of work and I was finally going to be done with it...then the head twisted off necessitating having to redo the whole thing just to get that broken bolt body out of the housing.  After that I switched to standard m5(iirc) hex head bolts(i dont recall the strength atm) and locktite, after finding that advice on a couple of forums/tutorials.

I get it that Ks have a rabid OEM/stock/dont-mod-em fanbase, so it doesnt surprise me that Im getting a lot of pushback on this.   I stand by my statement that stretch bolts arent needed, and that re-using them introduces potential failure that can be completely avoided with standard bolts and locktite.
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The Motobrick Workshop / Re: Valve clearance too tight on exhaust
« Last post by daveson on April 26, 2024, 11:44:28 AM »
That should be unheard of, unless they're no-name bolts from who knows where. I have heard of no-name torque to yield bolts from who knows where that stretched beyond yield on first use (making them loose and two mm longer) But do they look like torque to yield bolts?
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