Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 02:26:34 PM
The problem is caused by the rear rack -- it narrows the space at the end where the cases hook to the mounting bracket. I've posted a photo below. To get them to mount I'll need to grind off two of the plastic hooks on the back of the cases. Then they'll mount fine.
My question -- will the loss of two mounting hooks on the cases create an unstable or bad situation? Doesn't seem like it would but before I start grinding I was wondering if anyone has experience or thoughts on this.
Post by: K1300S on July 28, 2019, 02:50:52 PM
if stock system cases, they fit. getting them on the mount can be tricky.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 03:12:16 PM
what cases? what plastic hooks? picture please.
if stock system cases, they fit. getting them on the mount can be tricky.
The cases are in a friend's garage right now but they are the standard BMW black plastic cases. The rear rack mounting is the problem though -- they interfere with the mounting because they restrict access to the end of the bracket -- the rear rack metal makes the opening too narrow for the mounting system on the back of the cases. Take the rear rack off and they mount fine.
I'll take some more pictures later.
Post by: Scott on July 28, 2019, 04:00:06 PM
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 04:32:11 PM
Post by: Scott on July 28, 2019, 04:45:18 PM
Post by: Scott on July 28, 2019, 05:20:25 PM
k75 Rside mount_001.jpg (51.73 kB . 768x432 - viewed 722 times) k75 Rside bag_001.jpg (56.62 kB . 768x432 - viewed 716 times)Here's a pic of the backside of the bag and its mount, right side, if it helps. scott
Post by: Laitch on July 28, 2019, 05:32:27 PM
(http://www.motobrick.com/gallery/2/1601-280719171602.jpeg)
The hooks might be one of the sections of the case's hooked mounting rail indicated by the arrows in this photo.
(http://www.motobrick.com/gallery/2/1601-280719171729.png)
If so, the rear rack mount does not seem to me to be OEM. Grinding of forward sections of the case's mounting rail would place more weight-carrying load on the forward rack latch, destabilize the case when it receives road impact and lower the resale value of the case in general. If you chose to do that, I'd recommend securing the case to the rack's forward vertical reach with a screw that goes through the case into a fitting embedded in the member. That will stop the case from being ejected by rough road travel and also will take load off the forward attachment hinge.
Post by: johnny on July 28, 2019, 05:39:12 PM
if thats a k1200gt wheel on there that could be the problem...
j o
Post by: Martin on July 28, 2019, 05:44:30 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: K1300S on July 28, 2019, 06:41:10 PM
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 06:59:17 PM
Post by: Laitch on July 28, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
I'll have to get shots of the cases later.Your photos make clear the cause of obstruction. I don't need more photos of the cases. If that were a Reynolds rack designed for the K75, there would be sufficient room for the case mounts to slip onto the top of the z-rack It might be that your case mounting technique needs refinement. Post some photos of the rear rack itself and look for identification words or numbers stamped upon it. The profile shot of your moto in the cornfield isn't quite enough to identify it completely.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 07:45:46 PM
If it's not going to work with the side cases, where might I find a rear rack that will?
Here's the images of the rear rack and cases.
Thanks for your help!
Post by: johnny on July 28, 2019, 07:55:49 PM
the model is stamped into the steel... 3 numbers... 240... 241...
k75 = 240
k100 2v =240
k100 4v = 241
k1100 = 241
the 4 valve motobricks have a wider rear wheel is why the 241 is too wide on a k75...
j o
Post by: Martin on July 28, 2019, 07:59:43 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 08:08:21 PM
greetings...
the model is stamped into the steel... 3 numbers... 240... 241...
k75 = 240
k100 2v =240
k100 4v = 241
k1100 = 241
the 4 valve motobricks have a wider rear wheel is why the 241 is too wide on a k75...
j o
I look a flashlight and went all over the rack. Finally found "240" stamped in the metal on an inside surface. So it's the correct rack for the bike.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 08:10:34 PM
+1 Jo it is a Reynolds rack made for a 4V brick. I believe that by adding spacers to the z rack and pushing them out you might get the rack to work.
Regards Martin.
The only way I can see the side case mounting is to increase the distance of the Z rack from the Reynolds rack. Without it the case mounts are stopped from reaching over the Z rack by 1/4 of an inch.
Post by: Laitch on July 28, 2019, 08:13:06 PM
What you can find as a substitute rack depends upon on your intentions. Siebenrock sells a rack for the K75 to accommodate the case it sells, if you want to mount what The Mighty Gryphon calls the dirigible-sized case.
I think you might make your current setup function after alteration by somebody competent. It would help you if somebody posted a video of themselves mounting OEM sidecases on the z-rack so you could see the process.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 08:20:29 PM
If it's the incorrect model for your moto—as johnny and Martin have indicated—it might still be modified to work by cutting it and welding in an offset for case clearance. That's an easy task for an experienced welder.
What you can find as a substitute rack depends upon on your intentions. Siebenrock sells a rack for the K75 to accommodate the case it sells, if you want to mount what The Mighty Gryphon calls the dirigible-sized case.
I think you might make your current setup function after alteration by somebody competent. It would help you if somebody posted a video of themselves mounting OEM sidecases on the z-rack so you could see the process.
It appears to be the correct "240" model rack. If that's the case it seems to point to operator error on my part in mounting the case. I've fiddled and fiddled and don't see how it's possible to mount due to the lack of clearance between the z rack and Reynolds rack. Seems physically impossible. I'll continue to search for instructions on how to mount the cases. Maybe there's hope for me yet.
Post by: Laitch on July 28, 2019, 08:27:47 PM
Post by: Laitch on July 28, 2019, 08:32:47 PM
Maybe there's hope for me yet.I'm not certain about you, but most steel parts can be altered to improve or adapt their function. I doubt if this one is an exception.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 08:38:59 PM
Here's a 240. Note the tabs at the arrows. Does yours have them?
Yes, there is a tab on each side where an attachment is made to the Z rack.
Here's the 240 marking.
Post by: johnny on July 28, 2019, 08:56:00 PM
oe baggs are hard to slide on for the novice bricker... and the 240 reynolds rack can complicate that...
with z bar lock open you have to hold the bottom of the bagg with both hands... start as far forward as possible... commence to twerking until it slides in there then slide it back and close the z bar lock...
if it wont go you may need to remove the reynolds rack and reinstall it all square and the like... then your baggs oughtta go on as long as you use the 2 hands twerk method...
if it was my moto i would sell that reynolds rack and put the iconic 22 on there...
j o
Post by: Martin on July 28, 2019, 09:03:25 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 09:09:12 PM
greetings...
oe baggs are hard to slide on for the novice bricker... and the 240 reynolds rack can complicate that...
with z bar lock open you have to hold the bottom of the bagg with both hands... start as far forward as possible... commence to twerking until it slides in there then slide it back and close the z bar lock...
if it wont go you may need to remove the reynolds rack and reinstall it all square and the like... then your baggs oughtta go on as long as you use the 2 hands twerk method...
if it was my moto i would sell that reynolds rack and put the iconic 22 on there...
j o
Two hands twerk -- more Teutonic lingo and dance to learn. I'm old and tired now so it will have to wait until tomorrow. If I decide to part with the Reynolds rack, are there sources for an Iconic 22 or do I need to start trolling eBay and the Beemer Boneyard?
Thanks for the help. I do appreciate it.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 09:10:53 PM
+1 on the 22Lt one of the best things I fitted. However another Bricker had the same problem with fitting the 240 rack to a 75. He added spacers to the mounts to give clearance. It is possible to make it fit by either adding spacers or a bit of cutting, hammering, welding, bending and a bit of paint. Start with a realign and adding spacers.
Regards Martin.
When do I get to ride??? :tongue:
Post by: Martin on July 28, 2019, 09:22:19 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 28, 2019, 10:12:01 PM
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 29, 2019, 01:25:38 PM
Most of the time I probably will be riding without them and just use the small tail bag on the seat.
Thanks for everyone to help me much through this tiny mechanical event. Glad I didn't grind off part of the cases!
I"ll keep the Reynolds rack until I'm sure I won't use it and then probably put it on eBay.
Post by: K1300S on July 29, 2019, 02:51:14 PM
tailbag on seat good option. better option is to watch for a set of "city cases" to pop up for sale. they are half the thickness of the big side cases. perfect for daily running around.
Post by: Laitch on July 29, 2019, 03:42:19 PM
i have never been a fan of the "iconic 22" the trunk ruins the lines of the bike.I like it. Riding with it reminds me of harrowing between rows on my IH tractor at the tree farm, with the tool box bolted on behind its seat rattling away. Those were the days—smooth-billed anis, swallowtail kites, thunderheads building over the Everglades, birdshot raining down from the sky during dove season. :cool:
Post by: Martin on July 29, 2019, 04:42:46 PM
Regards Martin.
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Post by: daveson on July 29, 2019, 06:05:06 PM
Sometimes, when I'm feeling rebellious, I take my elephant ears off.
Sometimes I think of sticking some sponge or door stop type stuff on to reduce the rattle. Don't know if that would help.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 29, 2019, 06:38:11 PM
Almost all my riding is day trips in the 50 to 450 mile range. I've only done a few overnight rides where I might need the sidecases. There may be times when I need them but mostly all I haul along is a water bottle, small point and shoot camera, rain suit and a credit card. The little tail bag is sufficient for that.
The bike looks clean and simple without the cases. I took them off a little while ago and stuck them in a corner. They'll fall into use another day.
The first big service to renew and refresh everything and do the final drive and clutch spline lubes is two weeks off. I don't want to muck up anything before then so any riding of the K75 will be local. Until it's ready I'll continue to explore with the Vespa.
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on July 29, 2019, 08:07:52 PM
Post by: Martin on July 29, 2019, 08:54:51 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: Laitch on July 29, 2019, 09:11:15 PM
The first big service to renew and refresh everything and do the final drive and clutch spline lubes is two weeks off. I don't want to muck up anything before then so any riding of the K75 will be local.While you use it only for local travel, keep up the revs and use third and fourth mostly. A visit to the 5000rprm range would be invigorating. The easiest way to muck it up is by not riding it enough to warm it up.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 29, 2019, 09:20:10 PM
While you use it only for local travel, keep up the revs and use third and fourth mostly. A visit to the 5000rprm range would be invigorating. The easiest way to muck it up is by not riding it enough to warm it up.
I keep the revs up and ride it long enough to warm up. I worry that the riding is damaging the splines. Poured through the service records and log that the owners kept. Last final drive spine lube was 11 years ago. From that time about 3K additional miles were put on it before it was parked.
As far as I can tell the clutch/trans splines have never been serviced.
If I take the bike for some 25 to 35 mile jaunts through the countryside -- secondary or seldom traveled rural roads -- am I damaging things? I have to wait two more weeks before I drop the bike off with the dealer and I'm itching to ride.
Post by: Laitch on July 29, 2019, 09:31:13 PM
If I take the bike for some 25 to 35 mile jaunts through the countryside -- secondary or seldom traveled rural roads -- am I damaging things?The only way to keep from actively damaging a moto is to park it then disconnect the battery. At that moment the passive damage begins. :laughing4-giggles:
As long as you aren't trying to wheelie, stoppie, wheel-hop, and flog her through the gears precipitously, I think you'll be ok. The outcome depends mostly on accumulated karmic debt and luck.
Can't leave her alone, can you? :nono2: :evil:
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 29, 2019, 11:53:22 PM
The only way to keep from actively damaging a moto is to park it then disconnect the battery. At that moment the passive damage begins. :laughing4-giggles:
As long as you aren't trying to wheelie, stoppie, wheel-hop, and flog her through the gears precipitously, I think you'll be ok. The outcome depends mostly on accumulated karmic debt and luck.
Can't leave her alone, can you? :nono2: :evil:
No, I can't seem to get her out of my mind or leave her alone. And I'm a docile rider. Probably why I was content to ride the Vespa for so many years. I was riding a Ducati Hypermotard for awhile and was complaining how crappy it was at 25 mph.
I'm taking the bike out for a ride in the morning and hope karma is on my side.
Post by: Laitch on July 30, 2019, 12:18:14 AM
And I'm a docile rider. Probably why I was content to ride the Vespa for so many years.A K75 doesn't need an aggressive rider. It needs a rider that understands higher revs are its comfort zones—35mph or 70mph. They aren't a sign of impending doom. It took me a while to adjust to that because it is so smooth and quiet at low revs. You'll find the zone.
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on July 30, 2019, 08:05:01 AM
When I first got my K75 I was always looking for 6th gear and bemoaning the final drive ratio. With a few years under my belt I now find 4th to be perfect for non-interstate riding. The engine runs sweetly at 4-5000 rpm, and throttle response is a lot crisper. Recently, I have found myself running in 4th on the expressway at 75mph.
These engine were designed to rev, and they love it.
Post by: natalena on July 30, 2019, 09:06:05 AM
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 30, 2019, 11:15:17 AM
I am not by any stretch of the imagination an aggressive rider although I do like to cover ground briskly.
When I first got my K75 I was always looking for 6th gear and bemoaning the final drive ratio. With a few years under my belt I now find 4th to be perfect for non-interstate riding. The engine runs sweetly at 4-5000 rpm, and throttle response is a lot crisper. Recently, I have found myself running in 4th on the expressway at 75mph.
These engine were designed to rev, and they love it.
I've been letting the engine rev around the 4000rpm level for whatever gear I'm in, especially when wandering the backroads. Was out this morning and you're right about the crisp throttle response at those levels.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 30, 2019, 11:21:59 AM
Once I get caught up with things I'll post something in a ride report -- the scooter rider stumbling along on the K75.
Here's the view out the door as I was putting my boots on.
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on July 30, 2019, 03:26:12 PM
Life can't get much better.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on July 30, 2019, 04:02:25 PM
Early morning with cool sunshine and a country road. I have a meandering 50 mile ride to meet for coffee with a bunch of fellow retired bikers that I do a couple times a week.
Life can't get much better.
Riding is a gift. I was telling some non-riding friends this morning that life got a lot better when I started riding 15 years ago. Up to that point everything was work, chores, errands, maintenance and responsibility. I had forgotten what it felt like to have fun, the kind of sheer joy I had as a kid playing in waves at the beach, at the amusement park, or riding a friend's go-kart or minibike. I'm grateful my life has some fun. Everyone should find something that gives them some thrill and satisfaction. At the end of my life I won't be wishing I could have gone to one more strategy meeting or making one more investment. But I can imagine wishing I could go for one more early morning ride...
Post by: Soggz on August 05, 2019, 06:33:17 AM
I find that swearing a lot, as you wiggle it, helps immensely. It’s just another one of those crap bmw ideas that sort of works, when they threw the rest of the bike around the engine. The engines are great, but everything else on them,isn’t!
Post by: billday on August 05, 2019, 08:05:59 AM
Riding is a gift. I was telling some non-riding friends this morning that life got a lot better when I started riding 15 years ago. Up to that point everything was work, chores, errands, maintenance and responsibility. I had forgotten what it felt like to have fun, the kind of sheer joy I had as a kid playing in waves at the beach, at the amusement park, or riding a friend's go-kart or minibike. I'm grateful my life has some fun. Everyone should find something that gives them some thrill and satisfaction. At the end of my life I won't be wishing I could have gone to one more strategy meeting or making one more investment. But I can imagine wishing I could go for one more early morning ride...
Life is more vivid when you're on a motorcycle.
Post by: natalena on August 05, 2019, 09:00:26 AM
Post by: billday on August 05, 2019, 02:02:19 PM
Post by: D.Bachtel on August 17, 2019, 07:11:08 PM
I"ll keep the Reynolds rack until I'm sure I won't use it and then probably put it on eBay.
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I'm in the market for a 240 Reynolds. It will fit my bike nicely. With the Corbin "Rumble" set there's no clearance for an Iconic.
Allow me to have the right of first refusal, unless it's already spoken for....
D.Bachtel
Nipomo, California
Post by: natalena on August 17, 2019, 07:30:52 PM
I don't understand why your Z thingie doesn't line up with your Reynolds rack. After work I have to go look at my setup and ponder how this could be.Could you let me know the findings? I tried using a carriage bolt, and sliding the Z-rack into the "U" bracket space behind the 240 rack's side, but it didn't leave space to wiggle into the bricks frame mount. I half considered just making a short drop shackle to bolt to the 240 and then bolt onto the Z, but it looked wonky in prefab.
Post by: ScooterNSticks on August 17, 2019, 10:20:36 PM
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I"ll keep the Reynolds rack until I'm sure I won't use it and then probably put it on eBay.
I'm in the market for a 240 Reynolds. It will fit my bike nicely. With the Corbin "Rumble" set there's no clearance for an Iconic.
Allow me to have the right of first refusal, unless it's already spoken for....
D.Bachtel
Nipomo, California
Will do. Right now it's sitting in the garage waiting until I decide for sure I don't need or want it. I'll drop you a note if I decide to make it go away.
What kind of rack is on the back of your bike? Looks more like something of interest to me.
Post by: D.Bachtel on August 18, 2019, 10:16:45 AM
my rear rack is just the stock rack from BMW. The Iconic mounts to it with an adapter plate. The entire assembly then relies on the rear cowl for support. The Reynolds is a frame mount and could carry a more weight with less flex.
My bike came disassembled with busted up plastic front and rear.
Post by: sammysnail on October 17, 2019, 08:14:56 AM
When I bought my K100RS I was given just one big bag with it. The other one was lost - you may care to speculate how. Later on a neighbour gave me a pair of them. They all had serious gravel rash, and in places that should have been protected by the motorcycle. When I finally obtained a pair of city cases I wasn't impressed with the security of the wonky latch that goes through the rectangular hole in the lower part of the rack, so I made something to ensure that it didn't come open.
I cut a small piece of wood about 1" square and the same depth as the width of the rack. This piece of wood filled up the square hole in the rack that was left when the bag was secured in place. The latch could not then open. I drilled a hole in the centre of the wooden square. Then I made a u-shaped saddle that sat over the rack and either side of the piece of wood. A bolt secured the saddle in place. The bolt and the wooden block have to be removed in order to remove the bag, but mine are only ever removed to work on the motorcycle.
Post by: Laitch on October 17, 2019, 08:23:20 AM
When I finally obtained a pair of city cases I wasn't impressed with the security of the wonky latch that goes through the rectangular hole in the lower part of the rack, so I made something to ensure that it didn't come open. . . .This is one of those cases where photos will be of help, sammy. Use the attachment and other options feature below the Reply box. You won't be able to see the images in Preview but they will be seen when posted.
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Post by: sammysnail on October 17, 2019, 10:35:47 PM
These are the components. Note the nylock nut. In 1971 I took my new R75 for a ride on a dirt road and it shook out all the small bolts that held the front mudguard on. I went and bought a handful of stainless bolts and nylock nuts, and I've been a great fan of the nuts ever since.
The square hole.
The wooden block is a neat fit and needs to be inserted from the back.
The stainless strap fits over both the plastic frame and the wooden block, preventing the block from sliding out of the hole.
The bolt in place - unobtrusive and secure.
Post by: sammysnail on October 17, 2019, 10:40:29 PM
Post by: Laitch on October 17, 2019, 11:21:41 PM
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on October 18, 2019, 12:21:49 AM
Post by: Soggz on October 18, 2019, 02:39:46 AM