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TECHNICAL MOTOBRICK WRENCHING In Remembrance of Inge K. => The Motobrick Workshop => Topic started by: frankenduck on April 27, 2012, 03:21:02 PM
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In order to adjust the valves (by installing different thickness shims) on a K75 or 2V K100, you need a couple of special tools: one to compress the valve spring and another to hold it down while you swap the shims. The Clymer manual lists these as part numbers 111720 and 111722 respectively. You can by them from BMW for $100 (see attached drawing below)
Or you can purchase some homemade ones:
(text from a post by Chaos)
Yes, "Valve Adjusting Tools" and “Clutch Pilots” are available for the BMW 2 valve "K" engine.
“Valve Adjusting Tools” (both K75 & K100) are 2 pieces made from 3/16” Laser cut steel. Working contours are identical to factory tools. "Valve Adjusting Tools" are new, from steel, w/ instructions.
"Valve Adjusting Tools" for BMW 2 valve "K" engines are $28 S/H included.
Clutch pilots for BMW K's (both K75 & K100) are available also. New, from steel.
Clutch Pilots for BMW K's , are $18.50 S/H included.
Cashiers Check, Money Order or Personal Check are welcome.
“Pay Pal” accepted also. Please apply “Pay Pal” to:
polepenhollow@yahoo.com
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Has anyone purchased these tools from Ken?
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Not those, at least not yet, but I bought my clutch alignment tool from him.
He ships fast, price seems reasonable.
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I also purchased the clutch pilot. It was simple and, for the money, a good buy. Since I don't have access to a lathe, buying ready made is the only option. To have a local machine shop turn up a clutch centering tool would easily be three times the price.
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I bought the valve adjusting tools. Shipped fast, they look good and work beee-you-teee-fully!
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Excellent Thanks!! I'll be getting a set shortly.
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Updated contact info:
"K" engine Valve Adj tools available for the 2 valve "K" engine. $28 S/H included.
Clutch pilots for K's are available also. New, from steel $18.50 S/H included.
Kenneth Lively
318 S Hart St
Palatine Il 60067
polepenhollow@yahoo.com
847-561-8555
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More kudos for Kenneth.....Gave him a quick call to let him know there's an order coming his way this evening - after working hours, at that - sent the funds via paypal, went to town to do a few errands, and got home to find an email stating that my order had shipped (usps). Just that fast, and again, after hours on a workday.
Wow. :2thumbup:
I wish that sort of service were available all the time, everywhere. :yes
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I also did end up getting a set - they work great! Shipping to Canada was reasonable too.
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My first post...it is hard finding certain things for the k-bike...a search on this forum for a clutch alignment tool brought up a 2 year old post that listed Ken Lively as a possible source. So like others did on this blog, i called Ken and he was still supplying the clutch pilot tool as well as valve adjustment tools for really good prices and quality. Ken came thru for me, shipped them out the next morning! Wow!
Polepenhollow Valve Tools & Clutch Pilots. I'm now a registered user, obviously.
thanks Ken & Motobrick!
1991 K100RS 57,000 miles
Don
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As far as the pilot tool, I've had my trans off like 5 times, and I've had good results with just eye-balling the clutch disc in the center of the pressure plate and housing, then pressing the throwout lever (that the cable connects to) while mating the trans to the bellhousing.
I'll probably look into the valve shim tools at some point but when I found I had a couple tight valves I was tired of messing with the bike and just had the dealer to the adjustment
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Another +1 for Kenneth. Got my tools last week and they made valve adjustment a cinch. I honestly think the tool makes the adjustment process easier than screw-and-locknut valves (well, except for having to buy shims). Related side note - KLR shims do indeed fit. Happened to have some from my old bomber, and lo and behold one was the right size.
Sure, you may be able to do it without the tools by pulling cams or doing something sketchy with a zip tie down the plug hole, but I would be you anything that halfway through that process you would be more than happy to pay $29 for the tools to make this a painless process. Kenneth ships quickly, too. Dunno how the $29/shipped price makes it worth his time.
Now, getting the @#$@#$% valve cover gasket to stay in place during cover fitment...that's a different story. :bang-head:
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Regarding shims, not to hijack this thread, but since the main issue with them is closing of the exhaust gap, what is the reason for not lapping a few thousandths off of the shim to open things up. Yeah, it takes extra time, but it's a 3 hour trip for me to the closest dealer.
I used to assemble and test control valves for rockets and jet planes. We used to manually lap a number of the parts to get the required clearances. No big deal. A piece of 320 wet or dry on a chunk of plate glass and a bit of hydraulic fluid for cutting oil. Nice even pressure and smooth back and forth.
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Regarding shims, not to hijack this thread, but since the main issue with them is closing of the exhaust gap, what is the reason for not lapping a few thousandths off of the shim to open things up. Yeah, it takes extra time, but it's a 3 hour trip for me to the closest dealer.
I used to assemble and test control valves for rockets and jet planes. We used to manually lap a number of the parts to get the required clearances. No big deal. A piece of 320 wet or dry on a chunk of plate glass and a bit of hydraulic fluid for cutting oil. Nice even pressure and smooth back and forth.
Its probably okay, if done carefully. Though I believe those shims are hardened, and the lapping could remove the hardening.
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Good point. All my shims are good right now, but if necessary I might try and grind one down and check the hardness. Another issue may be the presence of a polished or chromed surface. I haven't looked at mine that close other than to slip a feeler in there, but there may be a special finish on them.
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I'd probably look at ordering online. The full kits are spendy, but sometimes you can get refill packs of specific sizes to just get the ones you need. More expensive than individual, but cheaper than a 3 hour trip for sure.
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I probably would go online to Max BMW. That's where I've gotten a lot of the parts for the two restorations I did last year. Only problem is that their turnaround time is about 5 days. They do list individual shims for my bike, and by BMW standards they are dirt cheap at only $6.70ea. If I need them, that's probably what I'll be doing.
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That's not bad, aside from the turnaround time. Hard to find a place that sells individual shims online...I wonder if the klr clan knows about that option.
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Add another very satisfied customer - Ken's valve tools shipped quickly, are high quality, and made the job a breeze.
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Reminds me...I checked my valves last year and had 2 or 3 that were tight and I had the dealer adjust them. I noticed that they didn't charge me for shims. Is it typical for dealers to go to their bucket-o-shims and grab what my bike needs then throw my old shims back into their bucket?
Or did they just not do the valve adjustment...
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What do you think?
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Pop the valve cover and check, you can pick up decent valve feeler guages at autozone for $5. Probably a good time to replace all the valve cover bolt bobbins and half moons, they are cheap and often neglected.
As for shims, my dealer just swapped them out for me when they found they had none in stock I needed. I sure wish BMW still sold the complete shim kit instead of just the empty blue container.
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regarding bucket shims: another trick is to just flip the shim over, the bottom becomes the top. this is an unworn surface and might save you a trip to shim-store. done this many times without any issues.
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Here's a well done video about using the valve adjustment tools of the type discussed in this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUxkv08XwH0
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Thanks for the video link. Coincidentally, I read this thread earlier today and sent an inquiry to see if the tool was still available. It is. Now that I've seen exactly how it is used, I placed my order.
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+1 on the video, thanks!
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For the more mechanical minded with basic metal tools you can get the specs for the valve tools from:
http://home.jtan.com/~joe/bmw_valve_tools_2.pdf
I found it easy to follow the only thing is you need to scale the drawing I used my company's photo copier.
Regards Martin
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Thanks, Martin.
I bought my tools from polepenhollow@yahoo.com—no problem.
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Regarding shims, not to hijack this thread, but since the main issue with them is closing of the exhaust gap, what is the reason for not lapping a few thousandths off of the shim to open things up.
As long as you lap only one side of the shim, the other side is still hardened. In this video, a guy uses that technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4veyx2QHgnw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4veyx2QHgnw)
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I am in the process of doing my first valve check/adjustment (after all these years). First Kens tools work perfectly and I got them fast. They went up to $30 it's a good deal.
I can not believe how dirt simple checking the valves is. All 3 of my exhaust valves were tight (about 150K miles on the bike). Had to order 3 shims.
Got them from https://newmotorcycleparts.net/motor_parts/valve_shims.html (https://newmotorcycleparts.net/motor_parts/valve_shims.html)
$5.95 each plus shipping ($6.00 for me) They should be here Friday and I'll get them put in..
CHECK YOUR VALVES! It's dirt simple!
I just hope I did in time #3 was very tight.
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Adding a supplier for all you UK and Euro brickers who pay in Euros -- Tills.de has valve tools and gauges at a good price.
https://www.tills.de/bmw-k75-67/tools/
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Wow! $5.95 vs. $13.74 from BMW.
Thanks for the link!!!!