... a car tire mounted on the rear wheel, I can say that it is safer in most applications...
... a car tire mounted on the rear wheel, I can say that it is safer in most applications...
Really? What information do you have that shows that a car tire on a motorcycle is safer than a motorcycle tire on a motorcycle?
Do the insurance companies have access to your data and experience?
For liability issues it would be wise NOT to make any recommendations on use of an automotive tire on a motorcycle.
Here's a thread on ADVRider about car tire mounted on a K75, but with sidecar mounted, too.
Car tire/ Darkside options for BMW K75T (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=932322)
Looks like they used a fabricated spacer to allow usage of a car wheel and more room between car wheel and swingarm.
(http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy64/Emzedder/Sperrin%20ride%20Jan%202011/100_1884.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uC7swcogF98/Uno47StXHqI/AAAAAAAABfQ/BFWdwdGQIUs/s640/HPIM1106.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-clTnQ2axHD0/Uno5W2RzpzI/AAAAAAAABfY/0cGw6rEo9-M/s640/HPIM1104.JPG)
Currently my K75S has 130/90-17 tire mounted on the rear wheel, yes, 17" not 18" wheel.
Probably I can fit a 145/60-17 car tire onto the OEM K75 rear wheel without clearance issues.. problem is finding one in that size.
Here's a thread on ADVRider about car tire mounted on a K75, but with sidecar mounted, too.
Car tire/ Darkside options for BMW K75T (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=932322)
Looks like they used a fabricated spacer to allow usage of a car wheel and more room between car wheel and swingarm.
(http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy64/Emzedder/Sperrin%20ride%20Jan%202011/100_1884.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uC7swcogF98/Uno47StXHqI/AAAAAAAABfQ/BFWdwdGQIUs/s640/HPIM1106.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-clTnQ2axHD0/Uno5W2RzpzI/AAAAAAAABfY/0cGw6rEo9-M/s640/HPIM1104.JPG)
Currently my K75S has 130/90-17 tire mounted on the rear wheel, yes, 17" not 18" wheel.
Probably I can fit a 145/60-17 car tire onto the OEM K75 rear wheel without clearance issues.. problem is finding one in that size.
Well you are overlooking something here that's very important. With a side hack the back wheel being offset to clear the swing arm is not going to present as much of a handing problem as it being offset on two wheel machine that needs to lean to turn. The handling would be spooky I'd bet.
@ cat0020Yes, I do plan to do it, not just as a project but to find an alternative to expensive moto-specific tires.
Then Do It!
Start a project post, document your work and post your findings.
I have done some surfing and see that almost all the MC to Car tire/tyre conversions were done to mostly to heavy cruisers and the large touring bikes. There was a few videos of a Triumph Rocket 3 and a FJR 1300 that did the swap over but none using a BMW K bike (other that the ones who added a side car) Oh and a few Scooter videos.
Just remember to document, document, and oh yes, DOCUMENT your work. The Devil is really in the details.....I'm not doing this to pass DOT inspection, I'm doing this on my K75S that is over 20 year old and just for the bike to suit my purpose.
Good Luck and looking forward to your results.
Maybe there's a reason the OEMs DO NOT put car tires on their motos....
Different sidewall construction and cornering ability comes to mind, not to mention HUGE liability issues from almost everywhere imaginable.
IMHO you are playing Russian Roulette with (at least) TWO rounds in the cylinder
Just because you can do it doesn't make it right.....
I cannot understand why anybody would want to do this. Are motorbike tyres really that unaffordable? What about corners? I'll stick with MC tyres designed to maintain a good contact patch at full lean.
Yeah, I have to say, BT43's are 100 bucks a pop, and can last 10k miles. I think the only situation I would consider it is where I need more than 10k out of a tire, because I wouldn't want to carry a new one.Done properly, a single $65-$90 car tire can easily last 20 to 30k miles on a 2-wheel vehicle; in comparison $90-$140 or more moto-specific tire that last 10k mi. or less.
If you cannot understand something, it doesn't meant those who do it are to be criticized by you or anyone who has no experience in the matter.
We each choose how we ride and what risk we are willing to take. Just because you are not willing to take the risk, or can't think of why anyone would want to take the risk; doesn't mean those who do deserve criticism for something you don't understand.
According to his initial post, He's got the mileage on a Burgman Scoot not a motorcycle. IMHO different animal
Another thing he has not told us is what kind of tire is is going to put on the K75.
Probably because there is not a car tire made that will fit the rim.
It does not affect handling...just bugs some people. I would say 1/4 to 1/2 inch Just try it..you won't be sorry.
Why is solely my responsibility to come up with helpful information?
+10 Motohobo
cat0020, This thread is regarding the question of Fitting a 18 x 4.5" Rear Wheel. NOT why cat0020 thinks you should use car tires. You've attempted to hijack this thread to push your agenda on a subject that, frankly, most all of us don't have an interest in. You have posted on this thread nothing that is useful or insightful to fitting a larger wheel. and your comments are therefore not germane to the conversation.
"This thread is regarding the question of Fitting a 18 x 4.5" Rear Wheel. NOT why cat0020 thinks you should use car tires"
Well said!
+1
I have no dog in the fight.....I am curious about whether anyone has found a car tire that fits the K75?
There will always be two sides (or more) to this argument..
wants me a new tior (http://www.ridermagazine.com/browse-by-type/tires/tales-from-the-dark-side-putting-car-tires-on-motorcycles.htm)
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As usual, the closed minded people who refuse car tire as a possibility for moto usage gang up and ostracize ...
I reckon a car tyre is more than strong enough to cope with the forces generated by a bike, as stated earlier, a car puts much more load on the sidewalls of its tyres than a bike ever could :2thumbup:
BUT...what happens when it rains, or you come across a stream of water midway round a bend? Car tyres work in the wet by forcing water out from underneath and through the tread...not going to happen if only the outside of the tyre is touching the ground!
Might not be an issue in some places of course, but it certainly is in England! :hehehe
Goodyear Aviation (http://www.goodyearaviation.com/cfmx/web/aviattiresel/details.cfm?sortorder=70) tire comes close....18x4.4. wonder how long they would last? They look more like a M/C tire that a car tire....
I can just imagine what the insurance firms here in Blighty would say......." He had WHAT on the rear wheel!" END OF CLAIM! :nono
Insurance company only care about getting paid, if the fault is not on you, they process the claim just the same.
Exactly my point! Doesn't matter if you are 100% blameless, the insurance firms will use it as a reason why you Could be to blamed!
You can always tell your insurance company what you have fitted and see what they say :2thumbup:
I can just imagine what the insurance firms here in Blighty would say......." He had WHAT on the rear wheel!" END OF CLAIM! :nono
Insurance company only care about getting paid, if the fault is not on you, they process the claim just the same.
So if my bike is parked next to a curb and someone runs it over with their vehicle, insurance company is going to send an crash investigator? :mbird
Please, don't make me laugh.. :clap:
As usual, when a Darksider gets called on their incessant raging, they start insulting people.
You sir, are the biggest idiot on this board. Congratulations.
As usual, when a Darksider gets called on their incessant raging, they start insulting people.
Who did I insult exactly?
You sir, are the biggest idiot on this board. Congratulations.
You seem the be the only person insulting another.
Telling people that do not agree with your point of view .. a point of view that is dis proven by facts, experts and physics, that they are close minded for not agreeing with you is not an insult .. okay ... I guess I have to stand by my previous comment .. you are indeed an idiot. Delusional as well.
Sorry Sparky, you started it, you are making in fool of yourself post after post. Please continue ... it is actually pretty entertaining, in a train wreck sort of way.
Who's the fool, really.
I was thinking of fitting a car engine to my K bike.......
So if my bike is parked next to a curb and someone runs it over with their vehicle, insurance company is going to send an crash investigator? :mbird
Please, don't make me laugh.. :clap:
As a matter of fact they will send an investigator or adjuster out to determine the extent of damage to the vehicle.
Doesn't mean they will reject the claim..
I wouldn't bet on it..... :nono
i betts i would be faster through the twistys because i would have a larger contact patch with a car tior... just need to find the right one...
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j p
Re your comments in the other tior thread, the first thing it says on the FJR thread is...
RUNNING A CAR tior ON YOUR MOTORCYCLE CAN HAVE INSURANCE REPERCUSSIONS. Claims in tior related accidents have been both denied and accepted.
Good luck with your claim!
Multiple claims???
That's because you haven't crashed the Burgman thus far.
So you have crashed the Burgman with a car tior on it?
Yep, I can do that but I'm still waiting to hear from you re why anybody who is of sound mind and not completely broke would want to put a car tior on a fscking motorbike??
Think of me however you like; you still can't debate on topic to save your life.
Go back and read the beginning of thread, maybe you read careful enough you can find some info you're asking for.
Go back and read the beginning of thread, maybe you read careful enough you can find some info you're asking for.
You have artfully avoided my first three questions...... :nono
Go back and read the beginning of thread, maybe you read careful enough you can find some info you're asking for.
You have artfully avoided my first three questions...... :nono
Your questions have no value to contribute to this thread, take it to PM.
Would you answer personal questions if I insult you with personalized meme? seems to me you're an idiot for even asking for personal info simply because you can't debate on topic.
Again....(re)read my original questions - I was asking for Professional qualifications, not personal info....the qualifications that make you the expert on car tiors on a moto.
Is that polite enough for you ?? :dunno
look... stop the fussing... answer my question...
i needs car tiors for both my wheels... still have not found them... i needs them by thursday...
so... whats you gotts there cat0020 that fits my wheels...
j o
aviation tiors aints car tiors... i wants car tiors...
BTW..... aren't you a little peeved about being disrespected?
rodger that k75rt keith...
i caints find any either... not even aviation tiors cause they use a different bead... thats why im stuck with moto tiors for now...
j o
Better men, women, and Darksiders have tried........and failed miserably at winding up Hizzoner :yes
t i r e . . .
works for me...
greetings tire dissenters...
i commencing to figger you tire dissenters are whack...
CAT0020, frankly, I personally don't give a whit what you do.
Please do whatever YOU belive to be in your best interest.
But, by you posting here asking for recommendations and/or approval puts respondents
in a position of being liable if you are injured or killed.
No, it doesn't.
greetings...
gotts to getts that round profile rear off there... gonna go with car tior for mileage...
what you moes using on the rear... goodrich goodyear firestone falken cooper kelley...
speak up...
j o
My Ural . . . wear forever . . .:laughing4-giggles:
People know I'm a cheap basturd, but not that cheap...
Why the hell do I wanna buy a brand new tior that's gonna handle like a real tior that's squared off and worn out from slabbin'???
Ever been in the mountains with a worn out, squared off tire? Not fun. On the other hand a car tire might be okay for stylin' around town, but then, those guys don't do 30k in a life time.
This thread is about options for putting a car tire on a bike rim, not about whether it should be done.
There is also an option for putting a bicycle tire on your Brick, or perhaps a swimming inner tube, or a wooden cart tire -- further options welcome! icon_cheers
Worthless response.I'll give PmP $0.02 for it if he accepts PayPal.
I would think a car tire would merit a car rim. I dunno, are the sealing lips different from bike to car rims?
I'll give PmP $0.02 for it if he accepts PayPal.
A car tire is designed to operate within a couple degrees of vertical,
Where are the moderators?I'm a moderator and I'm sitting in a chair.
The function of a moderator is to keep a conversation on track, not remove profanity or temper strong words.
I'm a moderator and I'm sitting in a chair.
You're off-topic. Get back on topic.
This is a waste of time.
Finally, in answer to your point, internet forums are not widely known as a useful way to spend one's time. Heck, without this forum I still wouldn't know I needed to replace my driveshaft and would be blithely motoring along! (Until, that is, I wasn't).
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