Author Topic: Arktasian's 95 K75 on Microsquirt Mod Table  (Read 23857 times)

Offline Arktasian

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Re: Arktasian's 95 K75 on Microsquirt Mod Table
« Reply #100 on: April 27, 2020, 01:15:18 PM »
Hello Ben,

Modifying the original Hall sensor cup with extra windows sounds like a marvelous concept. Yes, pretesting with your ecu is a needed step to ensure it will be stable right from cranking to top rpm's.
I don't have any photos here of the cam sensor I've rigged, but can describe it.  I abandoned the idea of adding or machining something to the rear end of one of the cams, and instead have located a VR sensor at the front timing cover that registers with the top cam gear. The timing cover doesn't have a "level playing field" so I fabricated a very small aluminum wedge to allow proper mounting angle and easy "one screw" retention. It isn't registering on the gear as such, but I've fashioned a stainless circular plate that sandwiches behind the retention bolt. I plotted sensor location in advance to jive with the hole circles on that gear and then have two allen bolts affixed to the plate at 180 opposing to maintain balance. One is ferrous (the signal tooth) and the other is 316SS (for balance). That plate is about 18 gauge, and the nylock nuts reside nicely on the back side within any given opposite gear holes. This allows a measure of adjustment on the single tooth which for the MS code choice requires that tooth not line up with any of the 12 crank teeth (the 3 cylinder design adds a level of challenge when you are seeking sequential ignition and injection - which I am). Sounds complex but actually very simple and minimal modifications to original kit and look.
I will post a photo of the set up when I have a chance.

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Re: Arktasian's 95 K75 on Microsquirt Mod Table
« Reply #101 on: June 27, 2020, 06:17:10 PM »
Covid driven news flash - placed an order with Motobins subsequent to scoring some funds helping a friend service his MCI motorhome conversion (I repowered it for him with a Cat 3406E "King on the Hill" some 18 years ago now). His rational is to vacation comfortably within BC given travel restrictions.
That effectively thwarts any excuses to "not be tinkering" on the K75  :nono2:

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Re: Arktasian's 95 K75 on Microsquirt Mod Table
« Reply #102 on: June 30, 2020, 01:49:40 AM »
Why not make a 36-1 wheel at the camshaft location? You already have a sensor there and you won't have high rpm timing drift as it's chain driven. No need for any of the space limited crank sensor with a registered cam position.
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Re: Arktasian's 95 K75 on Microsquirt Mod Table
« Reply #103 on: June 30, 2020, 10:29:09 AM »
Why not make a 36-1 wheel at the camshaft location? You already have a sensor there and you won't have high rpm timing drift as it's chain driven. No need for any of the space limited crank sensor with a registered cam position.

As per Megasquirt recommendations, its best to avoid the jitter that may develop in chain driven cams and such, but more importantly, for a 3 cylinder engine which is a touch uncommon amongst the squirting community, and with a wish for sequential control, wheel and code options seem limited.
There is however a code variation that supports a 12 tooth with one missing on the crank, and a single tooth on the cam. That will allow the highest rpm's I'll be developing on this daily rider type bike.
But that's academic as I have the parts made and they were quite simple and inexpensive. I did a test of the VR sensors I'll be using on my test bench set up, and got the results expected.
Thanks for commenting. Are you an MS participant?
Regards, Lorne

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Re: Arktasian's 95 K75 on Microsquirt Mod Table
« Reply #104 on: July 03, 2020, 10:41:31 PM »
I didn't know that about MS and chain driven cams! Too bad, that would be a bit easier from a packaging perspective.

I too am working on an efi conversion project using speeduino instead of MS. Going to run fuel only triggered off the CDI box RPM signal and likely just do a straight alpha-n tune with temperature/ baro correction. I'd eventually like to run ignition as well with some GM LS2 coils but will likely just batch fire and run it crank-triggered as half of a 6cyl.
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Re: Arktasian's 95 K75 on Microsquirt Mod Table
« Reply #105 on: July 06, 2020, 10:35:13 AM »
Seems the Speeduino is a reputable product that hasn't attempted to pirate tech from the Mega Squirt developers - I'm inclined to try one out next project.
Sounds good, hope you post up results once you have things running!

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Re: Arktasian's 95 K75 on Microsquirt Mod Table
« Reply #106 on: September 12, 2020, 05:41:40 PM »
Further to above comments, I’ve spent a bit of time at the “Speeduino” forums and find several K75 owners have initiated projects to replace stock ecu control using this novel product. It looks to be quite up to the task at a fraction of what the cost, & simpler than MS. However I’m not seeing any “Completed” posts but also a trend towards retaining original simple twin Halls or avoid implementing a larger count tone wheel. I suspect that hampers results given the different requirements of both those and the MS ecu’s.
Perhaps there can be a market for a simple crankshaft adaptor to allow the plug and play solution that keeps coming up.
Once I’m running, perhaps I’ll test the waters on that interest.

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Re: Arktasian's 95 K75 on Microsquirt Mod Table
« Reply #107 on: September 12, 2020, 05:50:40 PM »
The best option I've seen yet for the trigger wheel is to convert a stock K100 single window hall effect cup into a 12+1 trigger. The K100 thread on the speeduino forum has it pretty well documented (https://speeduino.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3878&start=170). I've got mine rough cut and just have to spend some dremel time to get the windows cleaned up. I'd love to have a stamping die for these so I could have some blanks laser cut and them smoosh them out in my shop press.

I'll try to keep everyone updated here on my progress. There is no reason that this setup wont work on our bikes, the crank trigger is the only real hurdle here.
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Re: Arktasian's 95 K75 on Microsquirt Mod Table
« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2020, 10:41:16 PM »
Thanks for the links - more reading and you’ve done some nice design work there.
Although machining the extra windows into a stock dish is a wonderful idea and key ingredient towards a simple plug and play approach - getting it done appears to be rather rough. Someone will probably come up with a solid machining or fashioning technique that will solve this. However, the MS manual for a certain sector (MS2Extra) describes a 12 tooth crank wheel with a single cam tooth as very precise but a better starter for engines that have some compression resonance on cranking (my understanding- better than 12-1).
In contrast, I’m using a $12.00 crank sprocket that resides in the stock recess with a small adaptor, VR sensor mounts through the front cover. My single tooth cam wheel is dead simple “bolt on stuff” and it’s VR sensor mounts through a simple hole on the timing cover ( has O ring)
I’ll post some photos shortly.

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