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How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« on: November 15, 2019, 05:22:41 AM »
Hello,

How can I figure out the exact VIN-Number, when my bike (built in 1993, for the Swiss market) has only the old fashioned 7-digit chassis no.???

Greetings from Sarajevo,

Tarik






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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2019, 06:18:55 AM »
greetings...

you gonna have to go to bmw... they the only ones who can getts you the answer you in search of...

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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2019, 08:35:02 AM »
Thanks - i was hoping there may be someone who works in BMW dealerships here at the Forum, who could provide the proper number
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2019, 10:05:45 AM »
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2019, 10:40:08 AM »
greetings...

thats not enough... wont cover limo to airport or airfare to germany..

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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2019, 01:07:04 PM »
I got: FILLER17II0197007 on mdecoder.com with a 1993-03-17 production date.

I know they don't use "O" in VINs, only "0", not so sure "I" is used either due to confusion with "1", none of my VINs have "I"

Wonder if it a is a Swiss, Euro. thing to only have that many numbers? Is that what is on the registration?
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2019, 01:48:02 PM »
Hello,

How can I figure out the exact VIN-Number, when my bike (built in 1993, for the Swiss market) has only the old fashioned 7-digit chassis no.???

Greetings from Sarajevo,

Tarik


that 7 digit number IS the exact VIN number.  was that a trick question?
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2019, 04:11:21 PM »
that 7 digit number IS the exact VIN number.  was that a trick question?

Nope, the question was how to convert the 7-digit one to 17-digit and letters one, so it could be used with 17-digit VIN decoder sites...

As the 17-digit standard was introduced already in 1981, and bike was produced in 1993, it SHOULD be possible somehow
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2019, 04:20:27 PM »
I got: FILLER17II0197007 on mdecoder.com with a 1993-03-17 production date.

I know they don't use "O" in VINs, only "0", not so sure "I" is used either due to confusion with "1", none of my VINs have "I"

Wonder if it a is a Swiss, Euro. thing to only have that many numbers? Is that what is on the registration?

R80 I owned b4 (made in 1989, import from Germany) also had just 7 digits.

Registration document shows 0197007K1100RS, just like it's stamped on the frame too

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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2019, 05:15:52 PM »
As the 17-digit standard was introduced already in 1981, and bike was produced in 1993, it SHOULD be possible somehow
The 17-digit standard was introduced in the US by its National Health Safety Traffic Board in 1981 but it applied only to vehicles sold within the US. That is a compelling reason for a foreign manufacturer to adopt the standard but it would only be necessary to adopt it for motos marketed in the US. Your moto was sold in Europe during a transition period. After the EU was firmly established, the EU adopted the NHSTB-compatible ISO standard but some of the identification in it is voluntary. Others in Europe have confirmed their Bricks of similar vintage also have only seven-digit VINs coupled with the model type, like yours.

BMW Munich might be the only authoritative source for information. You should ask them why your moto only has a seven digit number and if it can be converted to the 17-digit style then share their response here.
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2019, 06:59:38 PM »
no, your question was,
"How can I figure out the exact VIN-Number..." and my answer was correct.  the 7 digit number IS the VIN assigned to the bike when it was built.

what is the point of attempting to convert an old vin to a new one?  what are you trying to find out?  just to run it through some online vin decoder?  100% probability that even if you were to find some way to "convert" the number to some fictitious new number, the decoder databases won't have any info about the vin....because it never existed in the modern std format.   

and, in order to covert it, you would need all the info that a vin decoder might give you.  look up VIN format.  it is just info about where made, what county made for, etc.  you know all that already.

realoem.com recognizes the 7 digit number and provides month/year manufacture and what model it was.  what are you looking for? original "options"?  just contact BMW with the 7 digit VIN and they will give you the info they have.  folks in the old BMW car community do that all the time.

i must be missing the point of this (pointless?) excercise....:-)
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2019, 08:20:46 PM »
Seven digits is all you need for decoding. Also for registration, if it's an import.

Mine is 6217450K75, but the first seven are what counts.

On the other hand, when I enter those seven numbers, it tells me I have a K75 that was made in January 1988 although it's an 89 according to the registration and doesn't mention ABS or the full RT equipment which might imply that the PO added those things or had it done at the dealership (in Germany).
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2019, 01:37:21 AM »
no, your question was,
"How can I figure out the exact VIN-Number..." and my answer was correct.  the 7 digit number IS the VIN assigned to the bike when it was built.


Because the exact VIN-number could only be the 17-character one, which would work with all VIN-decoders, i.e. offeriung also to check the history of vehicle (for accidents, mileage if the official workshops were used etc)
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2019, 01:40:14 AM »
The 17-digit standard was introduced in the US by its National Health Safety Traffic Board in 1981 but it applied only to vehicles sold within the US. That is a compelling reason for a foreign manufacturer to adopt the standard but it would only be necessary to adopt it for motos marketed in the US. Your moto was sold in Europe during a transition period. After the EU was firmly established, the EU adopted the NHSTB-compatible ISO standard but some of the identification in it is voluntary. Others in Europe have confirmed their Bricks of similar vintage also have only seven-digit VINs coupled with the model type, like yours.

BMW Munich might be the only authoritative source for information. You should ask them why your moto only has a seven digit number and if it can be converted to the 17-digit style then share their response here.

"Fahrzeug-Identifizierungsnummer (FIN) (engl. vehicle identification number, VIN)" - according to German Wikipedia, used in Europe too since 1981., after European Union adopted the 76/114/EEC directive (already in 1975) - so all EU member states had to adjust their rules and regulations.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrzeug-Identifizierungsnummer#Europäische_FIN_ab_1981

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX%3A31976L0114
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2019, 01:43:27 AM »
Because the exact VIN-number could only be the 17-character one, which would work with all VIN-decoders, i.e. offeriung also to check the history of vehicle (for accidents, mileage if the official workshops were used etc)

My bike too was made (in fact, registered for the first time) in 1995, but several VIN-decoders give March 17th 1993 as a production date - and that must be right, as it still has the ABS 1 (the change to ABS 2 took place after June 1993). Which makes me extremely happy, as ABS 1 is much less prone to troubles than ABS 2 which followed - and cheaper to maintain generally.
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Re: How to figure out the exact VIN number?
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2019, 02:22:44 AM »
Yep, it's easy for me to believe Germany had a VIN since 1975, but not 17 digits,  that's why your bike doesn't have 17 digits. Further, Switzerland, fiercely proud of its independence and neutrality, is not an EU member.

You don't need a 17 digit VIN to find out about its accident history. You have to do your Doo Dillingerence.
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