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Offline bobvans

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Bob's 85 K100 Project
« on: October 06, 2019, 04:22:51 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I bought my '85 K100 this past July.  I was looking at a couple of different ones that were for sale.  Went with this one because it was closer, and because the other one that was available close to me was an '83 and I thought I would be better off avoiding the first model year.  Probably wrong thinking but that's what my thought process was in selecting this one.  Here she is...


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Hmmm... the attachments are coming up as invalid for some reason.  Will need to figure that out.

I've really been enjoying riding her.  A few little things I've had to deal with so far...

The clutch cable broke on me about 2 miles from my house while I was getting gas.  Just finished filling up and the lever end of the cable popped off as I squeezed in the clutch.  Couldn't picture myself pushing her home, although someone somewhere said it isn't your bike until you push it home from somewhere.  After a feeble attempt at reattaching the cable end (the barrel was gone) I decided to just push, put it in gear, start her up, and ride it home without stopping.  Ordered a new cable and got it replaced.  My first repair!

Was riding it one morning and heard this God awful screeching when I applied the rear brake.  Turns out the rear caliper came loose!  Bought some stainless steel replacement bolts for both front and rear and got it torqued back to where is should be.

Was on my way to work, first (7L?) fuel warning light had been on.  Started hearing a clicking sound from around the tank.  Thought it was the engine.  drove a bit further.  Suddenly started losing power... luckily it was right in front of a gas station so I rolled in.  Filled up.  Sound was gone.  So I figured the 4L (or whatever it is) bulb was burnt out.  Bought a set of LED replacement bulbs for everything in the cluster from someone on one of the forums.  Turns out the fuel warning bulbs are yellow and red.  So what I thought was the first warning light was probably actually the second and final warning light.  I have yet to verify both bulbs work... haven't run the fuel down far enough but probably should so see if the yellow light ever comes on.

I have plans for the bike but want to ride it as much as I can before doing anything that will take it down for more than a day.  I've jimmy rigged an LED tail light (that I really like!) to improve the very dim tail and brake light.  I had to pull the bulb check relay and add some jumpers to get it to work.  This light also one strobes when the brake is first applied.  I'll post a video one of these days.  I've also JUST put change the real wheel/tire to the 3 spoke 4.5x18" wheels and a 160/60 R18 tire.  Love the look of it!  Nice and grippy too.  There's a story behind this that I'll share at some point and the story isn't over.

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Thanks it for now.  That's for all the posts and info I've pulled from this site already!

Bob
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2019, 04:31:24 PM »
Here's the new tail/brake light...


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In this pic I was trying on the 4.5x18" 3 spoke wheel... part of the wheel story I'll tell later  :bmwsmile
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2019, 04:34:21 PM »
greetings...

that is a fine looking brick... dont let anybody tell you the gas cap is on backwards...

what is that sticking out the bung... some kinda new kind of gerbil apparatus...

is that a 1200 wheel...

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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2019, 05:05:02 PM »
greetings...

that is a fine looking brick... dont let anybody tell you the gas cap is on backwards...

what is that sticking out the bung... some kinda new kind of gerbil apparatus...

is that a 1200 wheel...

j o

Thanks, Johnny...

Not a gerbil... that's my new LED brake light!  I'll be replacing the seat and rear cowl at some point, and the easiest and quickest way I saw to mount that light was to attach it to the existing brake light.

The wheel laying no the garage floor is from a 1200 (part of the long wheel story).  Not sure where the wheel that's on there in the picture came off of.  It's the 3 spoke 4.5x18.  Got the tire wrangled on last night and I'm wanting to take her out for a spin!  But need to get it balanced.
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2019, 05:07:51 PM »
Hmmm... the attachments are coming up as invalid for some reason.  Will need to figure that out.
Started hearing a clicking sound from around the tank.
Don't worry about the invalid tag. As I hope you have already figured out, the photos will get posted anyway and be seen.
The noise might have been return line check valve ball vibrating from air pressure when the fuel flow stopped.
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2019, 05:12:05 PM »
Oh, I should add that I had read many posts about going to a larger tire.  So in anticipation of center stand issues, I bought a center stand from a K1100 like everyone was talking about.  To my disappointment, the 1100 center stand also hit the tire.  I was in a hurry because I had to meet my brother for dinner so pushed the bike into the garage, leaned it against a pole, and dealt with it later.  Ultimately I just removed the center stand and she sat on the kick stand last night.  I read somewhere that I need the actual stand mount from the 1100 as well, while others have said you just need to trim the hell out of the left leg of the stand.  comparing the old vs the other old I'm thinking the mount isn't the issue but I need to sort that out.
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2019, 05:13:53 PM »
Oh, I should add that I had read many posts about going to a larger tire.  So in anticipation of center stand issues, I bought a center stand from a K1100 like everyone was talking about.  To my disappointment, the 1100 center stand also hit the tire.  I was in a hurry because I had to meet my brother for dinner so pushed the bike into the garage, leaned it against a pole, and dealt with it later.  Ultimately I just removed the center stand and she sat on the kick stand last night.  I read somewhere that I need the actual stand mount from the 1100 as well, while others have said you just need to trim the hell out of the left leg of the stand.  comparing the old vs the other old I'm thinking the mount isn't the issue but I need to sort that out.

Thanks Laitch!  Would that have been brought about by the low fuel level?  It hasn't made that noise since that last fill and I've never had it that low in fuel since either.
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2019, 05:20:49 PM »
greetings...

your photos show oe snowflake wheels... why you wanna  mess with other than oe wheels...

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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2019, 05:26:43 PM »
This is my first bike, ever and I LOVE it!  It's been so fun to ride!  Look forward to those days when the suns out so I can ride it to work or ride it on the weekend.  Those are getting fewer and farther in between unfortunately.  OK, I lied... it's not the first bike I've ever owned.  I had another project bike that I bought back in 2011.  Was going to be a cafe racer.  Had big visions for her.  Took it all apart.  And there she sat for about 8 years!  I never rode it.


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Ended up putting it up on Craigslist.  A guy from Vancouver, BC traded me a pistol for it.  Swore this project was going to be different so went with a bike that I could actually ride.  Then pick away at it over time, over the winter.  I don't remember ever seeing a K bike before.  Lot of the R boxer engines of course.  So when I saw the K bike, I started looking at pictures and loved what people were doing with them.  Loved what people weren't doing with them!  It's just a cool looking bike!
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2019, 05:27:37 PM »
Thanks Laitch!  Would that have been brought about by the low fuel level? 
That is indeed what I was implying; furthermore, that assembly can start rattling under any condition. Many riders have removed them when that happens. Maybe the previous owner already removed it and the buzz was from something else. Anyway, the later models didn't need a check valve to prevent fuel spill when the return line was disconnected. The return line extended to the tank's ceiling and returning fuel dropped into the tank from there.
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2019, 05:30:59 PM »
greetings...

your photos show oe snowflake wheels... why you wanna  mess with other than oe wheels...

j o

I have tire envy whenever I see a bike with a bigger tire than mine.  I'm justifying my decision to stray from OE by telling myself radial tires are going to be better than the old bias plys.
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2019, 05:33:55 PM »
This is my first bike, ever and I LOVE it!  It's been so fun to ride!  Look forward to those days when the suns out so I can ride it to work or ride it on the weekend.  Those are getting fewer and farther in between unfortunately.  OK, I lied... it's not the first bike I've ever owned.  I had another project bike that I bought back in 2011.
Have you had any riding instruction at all or do they just hand out motorcycle endorsements on operator licenses by request, like condoms to high school students?
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2019, 05:35:58 PM »
greetings...

why not go directly to car tiors if you want wide...

you can put radials on those oe snowflakes...

here is the tior thread...

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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2019, 05:47:25 PM »
Have you had any riding instruction at all or do they just hand out motorcycle endorsements on operator licenses by request, like condoms to high school students?

Ha ha... yes, I did.  Took the safety/certification class a while back.  I've played around on motorcycles before so I knew "how" to ride but didn't really know how to ride.  It's been a fun experience.  When I first got it I just rode around the neighborhood at night... under the cloak of darkness.  Didn't have a helmet so didn't go but a few blocks.  Once I got my helmet I ventured out a little further but it was scary going faster then 25mph!  Felt like the bike was going to fly out from under me when I accelerated.  I'm a bit more confident now but still a bit afraid of the freeway.  I went through a phase where cornering to the left was way easier than to the right which developed into a mental block with going to the right... very strange.  Happy to say I'm over that.  I love riding it!
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2019, 05:52:42 PM »
Oh, I should add that I had read many posts about going to a larger tire.  So in anticipation of center stand issues, I bought a center stand from a K1100 like everyone was talking about.  To my disappointment, the 1100 center stand also hit the tire...  comparing the old vs the other old I'm thinking the mount isn't the issue but I need to sort that out.

Sharp looking moto!

46522311150 Center stand supporting bracket is same used by K100 & K1100
https://shop.maxbmw.com/fiche/DiagramsMain.aspx?vid=51713&diagram=46_0114&partnumber=46522311150

This thread may be of some use showing the added left leg mod needed
somewhere around page 3
http://www.k100-forum.com/t2713-wider-wheels-radial-tyres-on-a-k100

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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2019, 06:07:01 PM »
That 85 is a one hit wonder. Here's some added info

Notable differences of the pre-85/86 K100 are the seat pan design with matching tail cowl section, the water/oil pump design changed, throttle cable design and fuel tank/fuel level sender/fuel return check valve.

Your '85 may have the European "hotter" cams known as "Finest Year K"

http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,3653.msg56782.html#msg56782

https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?4534-Why-is-the-85-K100-the-quot-Finest-Year-K-quot&s=66f149b3cadea44550d51fbf0b9ee793&p=42512&viewfull=1#post42512

The pre-1985/86 has molded pillion handles as part of the seat pan, metal or plastic seat pan.
Post-1985/86 removed handles from seat pan and added handles to the tail cowl section.

http://www.bmwkbike.dx.am/CLseats/kbikeseats.htm

Water Pump
pre-1986-87? original design old style impeller 11411461177

Superseded by 11412325850 design change the shaft with gear Z=32 teeth, shaft- 11411461183

Superseded by 11417676366 same shaft with gear Z=32 teeth

latest design 11517676371 design change shaft with gear Z=19 teeth, shaft- 11411461793

Throttle cables have 2 versions and lower brackets. Cable lengths vary with handlebars.
#1 version- have a adjustment sleeve approx. halfway down length
2nd version black plastic collar at the lower end or a white plastic collar

Pre-1985 fuel tank has a rear mounting tab later removed.
Early fuel lever sender is a thermistor type later is a float type.
http://www.kforum-tech.com/how-to/Modification%20for%20early%20gas%20tank.htm

Check condition of the inside of fuel tank. Lowest portions are prone to corrosion when moto is left sitting for some time.
Not many 85 tanks left around in this condition
ebay 85 Tank
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2019, 06:28:03 PM »
Sharp looking moto!

46522311150 Center stand supporting bracket is same used by K100 & K1100
https://shop.maxbmw.com/fiche/DiagramsMain.aspx?vid=51713&diagram=46_0114&partnumber=46522311150

This thread may be of some use showing the added left leg mod needed
somewhere around page 3
http://www.k100-forum.com/t2713-wider-wheels-radial-tyres-on-a-k100

Good riding

Thank you for the help, Volador!!  I'll check that out.
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2019, 06:36:48 PM »
That 85 is a one hit wonder. Here's some added info

Notable differences of the pre-85/86 K100 are the seat pan design with matching tail cowl section, the water/oil pump design changed, throttle cable design and fuel tank/fuel level sender/fuel return check valve.

Your '85 may have the European "hotter" cams known as "Finest Year K"

http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,3653.msg56782.html#msg56782

https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?4534-Why-is-the-85-K100-the-quot-Finest-Year-K-quot&s=66f149b3cadea44550d51fbf0b9ee793&p=42512&viewfull=1#post42512

The pre-1985/86 has molded pillion handles as part of the seat pan, metal or plastic seat pan.
Post-1985/86 removed handles from seat pan and added handles to the tail cowl section.

http://www.bmwkbike.dx.am/CLseats/kbikeseats.htm

Water Pump
pre-1986-87? original design old style impeller 11411461177

Superseded by 11412325850 design change the shaft with gear Z=32 teeth, shaft- 11411461183

Superseded by 11417676366 same shaft with gear Z=32 teeth

latest design 11517676371 design change shaft with gear Z=19 teeth, shaft- 11411461793

Throttle cables have 2 versions and lower brackets. Cable lengths vary with handlebars.
#1 version- have a adjustment sleeve approx. halfway down length
2nd version black plastic collar at the lower end or a white plastic collar

Pre-1985 fuel tank has a rear mounting tab later removed.
Early fuel lever sender is a thermistor type later is a float type.
http://www.kforum-tech.com/how-to/Modification%20for%20early%20gas%20tank.htm

Check condition of the inside of fuel tank. Lowest portions are prone to corrosion when moto is left sitting for some time.
Not many 85 tanks left around in this condition
ebay 85 Tank

Holly crap!!  How long did it take for you to acquire all that K bike knowledge!  You're wealth of knowledge is impressive and I very much appreciate you sharing that with me!

My gas tank has the mounting tab on the end like you were describing.  First time I went to remove the tank (I had to replace the cooling fan) the underside of the tank was nothing like what I was expecting.  I've seen many photos and videos with tanks coming off but mine didn't look like that on the underside.  The float mechanism didn't unscrew from the bottom.  In fact, there was nothing to unscrew.  no foiled insulation.  I just had the two fuel lines and a connector which I couldn't figure out how to take off.  Looked like it unscrewed but it didn't unscrew easily so I left it in place and just moved the tank around enough to where I could access the radiator filler cap and fill with coolant.  I think that connector just unplugs but I haven't tried that.
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2019, 06:41:13 PM »
greetings...

why not go directly to car tiors if you want wide...

you can put radials on those oe snowflakes...

here is the tior thread...

j o

Too extreme... the 160/60's are perfect!  What are you running on your machine?  That is one awesome looking moto!! 
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2019, 06:55:56 PM »
http://www.k100-forum.com/t2713-wider-wheels-radial-tyres-on-a-k100

Ahhh... I've spent many a night reading thru that thread.  Found the pictures... I'll get the grinder out.  Looks like there was some welding done as well but maybe not critical if parking on sold ground.
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2019, 07:39:14 PM »
Go about tank removal carefully.
The thermistor type fuel level sender is no longer available and rare as hens teeth on the interwebs.
Round connector ends power the fuel pump.

The photos are from DJEwen's '85 build  http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,10875.375.html

http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,12340.0.html




This pic is from the web shows a newer 43mm diameter fuel pump with sock strainer as opposed to the older 52mm pump




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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2019, 10:12:36 PM »
Go about tank removal carefully.
The thermistor type fuel level sender is no longer available and rare as hens teeth on the interwebs.
Round connector ends power the fuel pump.


Yup, that's exactly what mine looks like.  Thank you for sharing that!

Good to know replacing that sender may be an issue if it goes bad.  So far, at least, I know it partially works.  I'll let this next tank run down until the red (4L?) warning light comes on.  Hopefully the yellow bulb was broken before I replaced it so that it'll light before the red.

And thanks for the link to that other build... I'll spend some time looking thru that.  It's a good looking ride!
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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2019, 11:37:57 AM »
I was able to get the K1100 center stand modified last weekend.  A small group of us were going for a ride and I got this done right before having to leave.  Removing the metal that extended past the "leg" wasn't quite enough.  The stand was still just about touching the tire so I ended up putting a piece of thick felt into the rubber bumper stop for the stand to keep it that much further away.


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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2019, 02:52:54 PM »
It's been a while since I posted.  Been enjoying the bike!

After many hours looking at pics on the internet, I've come to really like the classic look for the old K bikes.  In particular, the RS.  There's something about the squared off fairing that appeals to me.  So I've been looking around on what it would take to add that fairing to my bike.  Lots of parts on ebay but I'm sure there are a million little parts that I would need to pull this off that aren't as obvious as the fairing pieces themselves.  Just so happens I stumble across this '85 RS that some guy on Facebook was selling for pretty cheap.  So I figured if I could get the whole bike cheaper than what the fairing parts would cost me, I'd be that much further ahead.  Plus I'll know where alll the parts go and how they're held together.  Made the guy an offer and got the bike (delivered) for $300.  The bike itself sat for years and isn't in the greatest of shape.  It had the fuel pump pulled to get another bike going.  So here she sits...  not at my house yet but hopefully this week.  My tentative plan is to swap the fairing over since my bike runs and runs well.


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Re: Bob's 85 K100 Project
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2019, 03:01:10 PM »
greetings...

the rs motobrick... the worlds most eloquent moto... excluding the hd pan american of course...

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