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Offline Soggz

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Iconic 22litre topbox
« on: September 07, 2019, 11:18:45 AM »
Hi.
Just picked this up from fleabay,but...
apparently, itís from a generation II set. Do I need a different rack than the one I have?(see pic).
I have no mounting plate with it, but even so, the rack seems too wide for it to fit. Iím guessing itís the wrong one.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2019, 11:29:26 AM »
My 1995 22-l top case mounts to a very different cowling rack.  The cowling rack appropriate to my top case has vertical rather than horizontal rails.  The gap between the two central rails is much wider than the other gaps between the rails, because the mounting plate's locking mechanism for this case is in a relatively wide central hump which must fit in between these two central rails.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2019, 11:29:36 AM »
greetings...

you know whats whack...

thats right... not using the fische is whack...


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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2019, 11:35:02 AM »
greetings...

you know whats whack...

thats right... not using the fische is whack...


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good point, Johnny. But O just want a pic of the right rack, would be nice...
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2019, 12:01:16 PM »
good point, Johnny. But O just want a pic of the right rack, would be nice...
Those are photos of the correct rack. One photo shows a side profile of the correct rack on a rear cowl; another shows the correct rack with the mounting plate next to it. The plate snaps into the space between the interior rails of the rack. The pin passes through the center of the top case's interior floor, through the hole then is rotated to lock the case to the plate.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2019, 12:07:25 PM »
Those are photos of the correct rack. One photp shows a side profile of the correct rack on a rear cowl; another shows the correct rack with the mounting plate next to it. The plate snaps into the space between the interior rails of the rack. The pin passes through the center of the top case's interior floor, through the hole then is rotated to lock the case to the plate.
Thanks.
So what is the rack I have?,and will the other one fit in the same holes in the cowl, as itís from a generation 2 set?
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2019, 12:17:35 PM »
So what is the rack I have?,and will the other one fit in the same holes in the cowl, as itís from a generation 2 set?
I don't know the origin of your rack. I don't know if the dimensions of the correct rack's cowl fastener locations will coincide with the holes made in the cowl for your moto's current rack.

Your
top case is not designed to fit that rack. The case's bottom recess is designed to conform to the perimeter of the rack for which it was made. Generation numbers don't apply to 22l top cases; their only differences might be how their lid hinges are constructed.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2019, 01:20:19 PM »
if you're attached to that mounting bracket and can't spring for the BMW original and the scarce-as-hen's-teeth mounting plate, there are aftermarket alternatives.  I have Emgo's box on my Ural, not a sexy as the iconic 22L but sturdy, cheap, and functional with a universal mounting system.  https://www.amazon.com/Emgo-72-32440-Travel-Trunk/dp/B000GVD0VE
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2019, 01:49:33 PM »
if you're attached to that mounting bracket and can't spring for the BMW original and the scarce-as-hen's-teeth mounting plate, there are aftermarket alternatives.  I have Emgo's box on my Ural, not a sexy as the iconic 22L but sturdy, cheap, and functional with a universal mounting system.  https://www.amazon.com/Emgo-72-32440-Travel-Trunk/dp/B000GVD0VE
nah, Iíve got the 22 litre now. Iíll have to source a different rack. The plate isnít that rare,here. They were police bikes in the 80ís, so quite a few around. Most Have been cafeíd.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2019, 04:13:43 PM »
The rack on the cowl you looks similar to the optional OEM top box rack that goes on top of the 22 Lt. I could possibly be used as such if you needed extra storage. However I looked at fitting the optional top rack but I didn't want to stress the lid any futher. Picture of the OEM optional rack for comparison which are even rarer than the 22Lt in OZ.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2019, 04:28:04 PM »
The rack on the cowl you looks similar to the optional OEM top box rack that goes on top of the 22 Lt. I could possibly be used as such if you needed extra storage. However I looked at fitting the optional top rack but I didn't want to stress the lid any futher. Picture of the OEM optional rack for comparison which are even rarer than the 22Lt in OZ.
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Thanks Martin. Hmmm... rarer, you say...?
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2019, 04:43:27 PM »
 Besides the one my mate has there has only been one other for sale on Ebay in the last year.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2019, 05:19:23 PM »
Besides the one my mate has there has only been one other for sale on Ebay in the last year.
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Hmmm... so a 22 litre iconic top box WITH the optional top rack would be a sight to behold, then? Great, as Iím trying to get my k75 as original as possible.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2019, 05:29:27 PM »
Soggz I just tried to get a part number but no listing. So are they OEM or are they by an accessory manufacturer? The one that was on Ebay was advertised as OEM. The couple that I have seen over the last 20 years all looked the same slightly tapered as per the posted picture.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2019, 05:43:54 PM »
I have the one as in Johnny's post. The bolts and holes are close to vertical.

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Left to right,  rear,  160mm (6+5/16")
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2019, 06:03:54 PM »
Soggz I just tried to get a part number but no listing. So are they OEM or are they by an accessory manufacturer? The one that was on Ebay was advertised as OEM. The couple that I have seen over the last 20 years all looked the same slightly tapered as per the posted picture.
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I honestly donít know, as it was on the bike when I bought it.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2019, 06:14:13 PM »
Daveson I've seen a few of these fitted to the lid of the OEM 22Lt top box. A mate has one and one showed up on Ebay as OEM option. I am currently trying to get more information. If anybody has any more information please post it.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2019, 06:55:18 PM »
Yep, I wouldn't put weight on the lid though, the lock that the latch hooks to is fixed with a plastic thread on mine,  and it's pretty worn at that already. That's just mine though, after its bid for freedom.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2019, 07:25:26 PM »
As I said earlier I did look at buying the one listed on Ebay but decided it would put too much strain on the lid. I've had one answer as to whether it's OEM or not, saying not. I'm now trying to find out who made them. I've seen at least two fitted to Bricks in OZ and the one a mate has which came with a 22Lt top box he bought and the one advertised on Ebay as OEM BMW. I've also never seen them associated with any other brand bike. I suspect they might have been an OZ aftermarket thing. Still trying to dig up more information.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2019, 08:29:24 PM »
As I said earlier I did look at buying the one listed on Ebay but decided it would put too much strain on the lid. I've had one answer as to whether it's OEM or not, saying not. I'm now trying to find out who made them. I've seen at least two fitted to Bricks in OZ and the one a mate has which came with a 22Lt top box he bought and the one advertised on Ebay as OEM BMW. I've also never seen them associated with any other brand bike. I suspect they might have been an OZ aftermarket thing. Still trying to dig up more information.
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That may be an old Givi rack.

Givi makes a variety of top racks for there multitude of top cases.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2019, 01:36:21 AM »
I'm guessing that they are OEM, as there are no other holes in the cowl.So, I suppose it's fitted the same as the top of rack holes?
I have also sourced a original top box rack from flea bay last night for £12.00. Just need a 'slide mount plate' doodah,now. The locking pin came with the box.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2019, 05:00:18 AM »
I'm guessing that they are OEM, as there are no other holes in the cowl.
The cowls didn't have holes drilled in them from the factory. They were drilled when a rack was mounted as an option. Let us know if these holes line up with the holes on the rack that fits the 22L case.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2019, 11:12:47 AM »
Well, the rack came today.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2019, 02:00:34 PM »
 No need. The holes are the same.Im guessing that the rack that was on there is the oem one.
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Re: Iconic 22litre topbox
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2019, 03:51:09 PM »
The OEM retaining plate had thin foam rubber piece glued on the underside that tends to disintegrate with age. You might want to replace it if it's shot or missing. The OEM kit also came with a piece of clear contact adhesive that was attached to the ducktail to prevent paint damage when fitting and removing the plate. I used anti slip deck tape in lieu of the clear.
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