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Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« on: August 25, 2019, 02:38:53 PM »
I trust this may be a suitable place to post this question, having searched in vain for an answer although I might not be using the best keywords.

As I'm disassembling my FD from the drive shaft housing, I encounter something that I think is anti-seize on the bolts that hold the two together: it's white in color:



I don't think it's locktite but I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. The only anti-seize I have is blue in color. So my question is, when I reassemble the works, is it OK to use this on the bolt?



Maybe I haven't looked hard enough but I can't find the answer to what I'm looking for my usual bible (in here):




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Re: Kopr Seize On Drivetrain
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2019, 04:12:07 PM »
greetings...

oe used nothing or a green or a blue thread locker... itts opposite of antisieze... ittsa thread locker... some bolts like the rear rotar bolts used a perminate thread locker...

and of course they used a green paint to show proper twerk during assembly...

licktite blue 242 or locktight blue 243 is prefered...

though enough to lock with you being tough enough to unlock...


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who knows what has been applied by previous owners... that white stuff could be canadican bacon grease...

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Re: Kopr Seize On Drivetrain
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2019, 04:24:04 PM »
Quote from: Past-my-Prime on August 25, 2019, 02:38:53 PM
I trust this may be a suitable place to post this question, having searched in vain for an answer although I might not be using the best keywords.

As I'm disassembling my FD from the drive shaft housing, I encounter something that I think is anti-seize on the bolts that hold the two together: it's white in color:

I don't think it's anti-seize but I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. The only anti-seize I have is blue in color. So my question is, when I reassemble the works, is it OK to use this on the bolt?

Maybe I haven't looked hard enough but I can't find the answer to what I'm looking for my usual bible (in here):

I've never used thread locker on these bolts and am not sure it is required but as long as you use the medium (blue) it can't hurt.  DO NOT use red as it will require heat to loosen.
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Re: Kopr Seize On Drivetrain
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2019, 04:46:40 PM »
Thanks to you both and I'll use my blue locktite.

Funny thing, as I disassembled the works, the white locktite was only on two of the four bolts.  They were quite tight!
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Re: Kopr Seize On Drivetrain
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2019, 05:09:04 PM »
If it is greasy to the touch it could be OEM spline lube Castrol Optimol, being used as an anti seize.
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Re: Kopr Seize On Drivetrain
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2019, 05:13:07 PM »
It felt actually dry, almost powdery.

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Re: Kopr Seize On Drivetrain
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2019, 05:16:59 PM »
Aluminium corrosion is white and powdery.
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Re: Kopr Seize On Drivetrain
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2019, 05:17:46 PM »
Quote from: Past-my-Prime on August 25, 2019, 05:13:07 PM
It felt actually dry, almost powdery.
I may have been some corrosion in the threads.  Be sure to wire-brush them clean.

Reminder... I've never seen nor been told that a thread locker is required on these bolts but be sure to tighten them to the required torque as best you can.
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2019, 05:26:50 PM »
It is very difficult to get a twerk wrench on these bolts! I'm going to go with "tight".
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2019, 05:40:58 PM »
greetings...


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lighting is badd... caints sees in there in your photo... photoging splines is an art...

these splines are proper... this is what it should look like...


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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2019, 05:53:05 PM »
Quote from: Past-my-Prime on August 25, 2019, 05:26:50 PM
It is very difficult to get a twerk wrench on these bolts! I'm going to go with "tight".
"tight" is very inaccurate - is it V-twin tight?  If so, then it is probably too much.

Use a torque wrench on the ones you can access and gauge the inaccessible from those.  40Nm/29.5pound/feet is not a lot.

I've found over the years that most times fasteners are waaaaay overtightened and frequently never cause a problem.  Strip out one and you'll regret not keeping the proper torque in mind.

Yes, I was the guy in the shop ALWAYS using a torque wrench if possible but never stripping out a fastener nor fixing a come-back where a bolt worked its way loose.
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2019, 10:35:47 PM »
I need to get more tools.

A smaller torque wrench for one, and a socket extension u-joint.

Also a motorcycle lift.

By the way, is it normal to take six hours to do a spline lube?  :johnny
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2019, 11:12:39 PM »
Quote from: Past-my-Prime on August 25, 2019, 10:35:47 PM


By the way, is it normal to take six hours to do a spline lube?  :johnny

Depends how many beer runs you had to make
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2019, 07:51:43 PM »
Better?

Am I about to get stranded?





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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2019, 07:54:24 PM »
Or this?


I think my problem is the female spline on the FD.
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2019, 08:20:00 PM »
Quote from: Past-my-Prime on August 25, 2019, 10:35:47 PM

A smaller torque wrench for one, and a socket extension u-joint.


I bought a 1/4" drive torque wrench made for bicycle mechanics. Didn't cost much and it's very handy in tight spaces and with smaller heads that need accurate but low twerque.

Your splines . . . where are they? Time for a new drive shaft.
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2019, 09:00:49 PM »


This is the best photo I could get.

I'll try harder next time. . . .

And I'm going to buy a small torque wrench in addition to all of the other tools I need.

I used my big one on one of the FD bolts and approximated for the others that were harder to reach.
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2019, 09:28:18 PM »
Those splines look like junk to me.
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2019, 10:42:21 PM »
Quote from: mw074 on August 26, 2019, 09:28:18 PM
Those splines look like junk to me.

Really? Dammit!  Also, I don't know why sometimes the photo disappears.

But really: Dammit. . . . . new driveshaft search begins.
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2019, 01:08:08 AM »
This deserves a nomination for the 2019 Driveshaft Award

I wept because I had no splines until I... really have no splines Dammit!
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2019, 07:45:44 AM »
Quote from: Past-my-Prime on August 26, 2019, 10:42:21 PM


Wow! That's the spline equivalent of a "Skeeball."  Good luck on the drive search. I got one in great shape and inexpensive perusing fleaBay.
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2019, 08:04:46 AM »
Quote from: Past-my-Prime on August 26, 2019, 10:42:21 PM
Really? Dammit!  Dammit. . . . . new driveshaft search begins.
You could have been 250km into your last trip and had that driveshaft scream at you as it failed and left you stalled along the roadside. There would have been no forward movement except by carrier, tow rope or muscle. Dammit wouldn't have been the half of it; Rocinante would have lived up—or down—to her name.

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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2019, 07:37:41 PM »
Thanks for the support Laitch!

Let's just call that photo "why to lube your splines" with a happy ending.  I'm sending the FD to Hansens and going with a new DS and will make lubing my new religion.

Next up. . . my long neglected valves!
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Re: Kopr Kote On Drivetrain
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2019, 08:33:27 PM »
Quote from: Past-my-Prime on September 09, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
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Next up. . . my long neglected valves!
If you are referring to adjustments there are many threads here addressing that process.  Keep in mind that Ken Lively makes the tools and Yamaha as well as  Kawasaki have shims that are the same size that may be available locally.
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