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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #50 on: January 04, 2019, 11:52:19 PM »
I am going to do just that, asap.
I agree if it still runs ok, I will call it good enough.
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2019, 11:56:46 PM »
I am going to do just that, asap.
Tomorrow looks good out there—freezing fog followed by partly sunny skies and 50ºF. I might see that sort of thing in May.
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2019, 12:10:49 AM »
I think with your year model the 7l warning was not enabled because many people found it more annoying than useful.

I'm also interested if the revs change at idle if the filler plug is removed, but I'm thinking if the revs doesn't change then the z hose is possibly leaking.

Is there still a miss, sometime this is an indication that the fuel pressure regulator is leaking fuel. Since the miss disappears at high revs this also indicates the regulator as a cause, i think.
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2019, 07:01:15 AM »
The 7l light and, I think, its wiring exist in the and the harness/sensor.  Pins #8 and 20 at the cluster do not. Someone has removed its thermistor, and I, as usual, have managed to burn up the 4l thermistor. The 4l thermistor lead to ground in the sensor had broken, but the thermistor still functioned. I managed to solder it back to the ground wire, then stupidly tested it with 12v from the battery, which gave it too much current and burned it up. I need a few replacements. The 4l light in the cluster lit when pin #7 was grounded, after a slight wait.

Separately, while fiddling with the fuel level light, I managed again to burn up something in the speedo.
It worked fine before all this, now no speedo needle movement, no odometer or trip meter movement, and I think the turn signal self-cancel is now inoperative. I have discovered here pertinent wiring schematics to this bike, but I speak electricity poorly.

The motor runs smoothly at all rpm, with its current tune, which is just a bit leaner than stock air flow meter settings, timing 2mm advanced. I think the fuel pressure regulator is functioning properly.

50f and sun is not uncomfortable to ride behind the K100 tall fairing with the  fairing-to-engine plastics missing.
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2019, 07:10:02 AM »
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2019, 07:44:48 AM »
The speed and odometer  on one of my bikes wasn't working until I removed the three pins at the end of the green flexible circuit thingy I think on the right hand side,  then sanded them,  twisted them slightly,  pushed them back in and out about twenty times for a better contact.
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2019, 08:28:35 AM »
Last summer we opened some windows to cool the house off.  Now that the weather is a lot colder I'm freezing my ass off.

I'm thinking we need to get more heat in the house.  Should I go for electric heaters or would kerosene be better.  Right now I am burning large piles of wood outside the open windows.  It seems to help, but the smoke is annoying.

What to do, what to do?
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  • '91K100RS White/Blue
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'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

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'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2019, 12:02:19 PM »
Gas mask?
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2019, 12:04:58 PM »
Long underwear?
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2019, 12:12:30 PM »
Archives probably has a schematic, but it looks like your fire is flipped. Try bringing the fire inside the house, just inboard the open window (if that makes sense). A wheelbarrow does very well, although the insurance adjuster may question it's location ... just tell them it's to feed the goats. Video of active fire inside would be helpful. Good luck.
 
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2019, 12:16:49 PM »
I finally found my air leak in just one the intake runners.
Learn from my "mistake" and remove the throttle bodies first to see what parts you need before you order parts.
The intake runners are all of $5, the part that screws to the head are $50 EACH!
Fortunately, I LOVE Big Red, my '85 K100 Standard, and Hermey's had a 20% off sale.
I would recommend undoing the mess you did with the MAF and bring things back to factory settings for the best results.
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #61 on: January 05, 2019, 12:19:42 PM »
I think I'll open more windows to let the smoke out and get another furnace.
  • In my garage in Marilla, NY
  • '91K100RS White/Blue
Current:
'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

Past:
'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #62 on: January 05, 2019, 12:28:44 PM »
50f and sun is not uncomfortable to ride behind the K100 tall fairing with the  fairing-to-engine plastics missing.
50ºF isn't uncomfortable on a naked K either, if you're geared up correctly and not an invalid.

Have you performed the oil filler plug test or has the ailing speedometer diverted you from that?
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  • 1995 K75 89,000 miles
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #63 on: January 05, 2019, 12:34:47 PM »
I think I'll open more windows to let the smoke out and get another furnace.
Why don't you just move the La-Z-Boy, tv trays and the beds outside closer to the fire. This isn't rocket science.
  • Along the Ridley in Vermont.
  • 1995 K75 89,000 miles
I wept because I had no radials until I met a man who had no splines.
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2019, 12:42:25 PM »
Silly advice, but, when I got my '84 KRS, 83K miles, reasonably well cared for, some dealer maintenance records, which didn't seem correct?, third owner, the seller was not forthcoming to simple questions, so low ball/ haggle.  Many of us have these early nice cam bikes.  The seller asked what I was gonna do with bike?  I said, "Take it apart!"  Rode it home, rode it for inspection, then take it apart.  Leaking FD, leaking forks, useless front brakes, leaking rear MC, cracked right bag, no leaks engine/tranny, tank was very good, original fuel pump, hoses and carrier, and on and on and on.  Original throttle bodies updated, front end up dated, new this new that, and that and that. Work a little each day/night.  No rush, do it right, forget the cost. 

No fiddle faddle around, spray this, scrape that, take it apart.  But before, read every fricken frakken thing available on the bike.  From every period bike mag review to every available repair manual, to every inner web article, every night, read, learn from others' many times mistakes/triumphs.  So I knew wth I was doing.  Clean everything as you go.  Three years later still gonna do some stuff this winter.  That's my story FWIW on an early K bike. 

Oh, the crankcase Z hose vent.  One of first things replaced even though it looked OK.  How does it run today?  Compared to an airhead?  Like a scalded cat. 
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2019, 01:06:15 PM »
Separately, while fiddling with the fuel level light, I managed again to burn up something in the speedo.
It worked fine before all this, now no speedo needle movement, no odometer or trip meter movement, and I think the turn signal self-cancel is now inoperative.
Did you check its fuse?
  • Along the Ridley in Vermont.
  • 1995 K75 89,000 miles
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2019, 01:12:05 PM »
Why don't you just move the La-Z-Boy, tv trays and the beds outside closer to the fire. This isn't rocket science.

Then I have to go indoors to get a cold beer.  Okay, maybe I could move the beer cooler outdoors.  I suppose if the beer got too cold, I could put a small heater in the cooler.

Damn!  This is getting pretty complicated.
  • In my garage in Marilla, NY
  • '91K100RS White/Blue
Current:
'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

Past:
'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #67 on: January 05, 2019, 01:17:18 PM »
Damn!  This is getting pretty complicated.
You think this is complicated? Try removing an oil filler plug.
  • Along the Ridley in Vermont.
  • 1995 K75 89,000 miles
I wept because I had no radials until I met a man who had no splines.
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #68 on: January 05, 2019, 01:20:28 PM »
You think this is complicated? Try removing an oil filler plug.

Absolutely!!!  Removing that filler plug one of the annual jobs I hate the most.  Without a doubt, the worst part of an oil change!!!  I'd rather do a clutch spline lube.
  • In my garage in Marilla, NY
  • '91K100RS White/Blue
Current:
'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

Past:
'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2019, 02:35:05 PM »
Beer is supposed to be drunk before it freezes.

Surprising as it may seem, and contrary to my SOP, I have yet to make a mess of the air flow meter. I think I understand its operation. Please correct my misapprehension.

The speedo, long with the rest of the cluster except the clock, is powered from cluster pin #6.

Many thanks for the helpful suggestions.
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2019, 03:56:09 PM »
Beer is supposed to be drunk before it freezes.

That's why I'll need the refrigerator heater.
  • In my garage in Marilla, NY
  • '91K100RS White/Blue
Current:
'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

Past:
'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2019, 07:28:27 PM »
I stand corrected.
Removal of oil-filler cap at cold 800 rpm idle caused rough engine operation close to stalling. Cold engine fast idle approx. 1500 rpm cap removal induced rough operation.
Engine warmed up after fan turned on exhibited no noticeable difference in operation at various speeds between 1050 rpm  and 4k rpm. A flexible imagination might conjure up an infrequent burp. Tach registered no change.
Surprised me that much vapor came out of oil fill at idle. Much less at 4k rpm.
What all this means I do not know, except that the engine runs well enough for me for now.
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2019, 07:32:34 PM »
Experience has shown the freezing point of beer is lowered by the addition of antifreeze.

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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2019, 07:52:19 PM »
What all this means I do not know . . .
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  • 1995 K75 89,000 miles
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Re: 1985 BMW K100 random miss
« Reply #74 on: January 06, 2019, 03:47:28 AM »
What it means,  I believe,  is good news.
When you remove the filler cap at idle you have just created a huge air leak in the crankcase,  some of which enters the cylinders through the z hose.
My bike runs well,  if I remove the filler cap it stumbles,  then dies,  unless I replace the plug in time.
  • Victoria, Australia
  • Current;'85 K100RT~100,000km; four other bricks. Past; 1500 Vulcan, V Star 650, KLX 250(dirt bike) TT250(dirt bike)

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